NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#30

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay General Discussion Threads' started by SoSueMe, May 18, 2012.

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  1. CaseClosed

    CaseClosed Registered User

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    Perhaps Mahoney is the "lead" and the other two will consult in just specific areas that may be more their particular expertise? .. e.g. maybe one is good a analysing evidence and the second one is good at controlling the media? IMO.
     


  2. Fuskier

    Fuskier Well-Known Member

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    Agree MANI. The analogy in the poster is a good one.
     
  3. Pseudonym

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    I have thought from the beginning that GBC was involved , responsible for his wife's death, disappearance . Nothing has changed my mind but I do realize things can play out differently in court due to the confines of law. Reasonable doubt will be the big factor here . He's not saying anything so the prosecution have to prove everything .GBC has planned it all quite well but something that night threw a spanner in the works .you make a good point that nothing has solidly tied him to this crime other than circumstances , but to me , the big glaring factor is , if it was accidental , ring ambulance , police , admit it , he's supposed to be a caring father of 3 young children. Why cover up & continue on like business as usual . No pleas for help in finding the real killer . No statements to police . These sorts of behaviors are indeed incriminating .My opinion only .
     
  4. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

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    The "debts" you posted are the debts we know about to date. He owed all this money to various people as loans...I've not seen a mention yet of the day to day debts such as employees wages...have they been paid....if so, where was that money coming from??.

    Plus one would have to add to the above the usual costs of running a household...rent, electricity, food, clothing for a family of five. How was he paying for this??? Was he in arrears with any of these??

    How about the taxman...I wonder if all's sweet & rosy with him.

    Yes I agree, the one million is probably not unusual...in a business that is running well that is. But in a business that had taken a dramatic downturn & had not been good for a long time....I would think he was in dire financial trouble....& he knew it!!!
     
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    Yes, historically, there are dirty police ... but there are good ones too! IMO.

    BBM
     
  6. grannie

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    Could you please support this statement with figures?

    Also, GBC's franchise can not be categorised as medium-sized. To fit that category, he has to reach a turnover over $10mln a year at least, or ~$50 million on average. In terms of workforce, a medium sized business is defined as that with 20-199 staff, a small business has 5-19 staff, and a micro business - 1-4 staff. So rental, hiring and real estate services in Australia usually (98.1% ) operate as small businesses, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
     
  7. marlywings

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    The phone along with the computers were sent to Australian Crime Commission in Melbourne....a government department = "take a ticket please & we'll serve you as soon as possible"....no different to when there seemed such a long wait on results for toxicology tests which also had to go through another gov dept.
     
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    I indicated similar, however Hawkins clarified that if a lawyer did this, would not last long in the legal profession.
     
  9. Rational

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    I wouldn't be too worried about the prosecution I think GBC is going to have his hands busy keeping his legal team in check. There are some BIG egos in there, and together with GBC's personality this will be an interesting mix and not necessarily a smart move.
     
  10. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    Yes - it was pure hypothesis on my part - and stated as such - after it had been in the papers the previous day. I was just musing as to the possibility of his lawyers trying to use that. But as I said in one of the posts - if they do, then I would take that as a sign of sheer desperation and if I were the prosecution I would be moving in for the "kill"....
     
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    ynotdivein Retired WS Staff

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    RE: "...find it quite galling sometimes that the courts somehow seem to consider that their time and their rights overrule those of everybody else.' etc.

    A bit like when we're sitting in Doctor's waiting rooms for hours on end awaiting our appointments!! But I hear what you're saying dear Doctor. I had to give evidence in a Coroner's Inquest and the whole business was SO inconvenient for everyone involved by the time they'd postponed it several times....not to mention the times people turned up to give evidence and were not 'called' at all on that particular day. And people had been flown in from elsewhere to give their evidence, having moved town since the 'death'.

    I was the first to give evidence and it was woefully obvious that all the legal persons involved didn't have a curlew about the evidence we were giving. I had to read out my notes (from YEARS before) to the court, and had to translate and decipher all our common medical abbreviations for the court. Of course you can't expect people to have an everyday knowledge of areas they don't work in, but these people are making important decisions about others lives. (However I didn't mind one thing I had to decipher: the lawyer asked 'What does 'TLC given' mean?' to which I replied 'Tender Loving Care'....I was glad for some 'tenderness' in there as it's awful for the families having to go through stuff years later when they should be healing.)

    The inadequacy of the whole business was highlighted when the court asked for some respiratory equipment to be brought from the hospital, so someone was called and raced it over......only to have the Coroner put them on the spot and ask how it all worked. This was their 'evidence'.....the poor woman who was merely the 'courier' had to bumble through an unexpected explanation - she did well, but what if she got the explanation all arse about? Yes, this was a country town situation....but sometimes it gets a little farcical. As I repeated (ad nauseum) 'I can't recall', the Coroner (who was actually a Magistrate 'acting up') said, obviously irritated: 'I'm getting a bit tired of hearing 'I can't recall' - and I was the first witness! So I said to him: 'How would you like me to express myself when I can't remember any details?' (Yes, I thought he was a pompous arse!) I asked our lawyer later if I was out of order, but he just smiled and said 'We all knew what you meant!'

    This 'Coroner' after a lunch break and seeing that our lawyer wasn't in his seat, asked imperiously 'And WHERE is Mr Suchandsuch?' So I stood from the (peanut) gallery and said 'In the toilet I believe, your Honour' (because I had seen him go in!) Those around me nearly crawled under their seats!! I think I was supposed to refer to him as 'Your Worship' as well, so was politically incorrect on two counts! Yes, we must show our courts their due respect, but people taking themselves a little too seriously? Pfft. The farce ended with the 'person' central to the reason we were all there, not having to get on the stand at all because it might be prejudicial to other professional proceedings yet to come...this seemed so grossly unfair. All of us pulled from lives and jobs (someone had to change their overseas holiday!), sitting around at the whim of the court.....and in the end the bloody person who was the reason we'd all had to go through this thing got to stay in her seat, and it was ultimately an open finding. IMO it should never have got that far, and it was so, so stressful for some of those having to testify. (Not me, as I was the furtherest removed from the death, and had worked two shifts before - needed for 'background' info).

    And the point of all my blather? The 'law' whilst necessary, is also full of a lot of argy bargy and manoeuvring and posturing and manipulation.......and a waste of $$$$ and time. But it's all that we have, and I trust that both the QPS and our justice system will do their darndest to get it right.....as will the jury of our peers (I've just got myself OUT of doing jury duty because of 'work commitments'.....however my 'real' reason is that I won't be compensated for my time away from work, and if I should happen upon a case such as GBCs then it might take months! I don't want to receive less than quarter of my income for months on end, do I? Do any of us? Am I a bad citizen?)

    However despite my unhappy experience in testifying (which has coloured my opinion of legal proceedings), can I say to Hawkins that you are the epitome of what our law people SHOULD be...you describe everything so clearly and succinctly and clearly espouse the standards and attitudes that our justice system aspires to....and we are very lucky to have you here. As someone else said, you 'ground' us (ie slap us down and tell us how it really is/shouldbe in the kindest, most tactful and respectful way.....love how you 'roll'. Have to admit though....while you were sipping Margeuritas at Noosa with your colleagues, did you have a wry smile to yourself as you tapped out replies to we websleuthers, with your buds thinking you were probably attending to some important legal business? I want you to know that you are doing an important community service by 'educating' us, and it is greatly appreciated!
     
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    If you can sit down and work all this out i'm sure the Judge worked it out too.

    But even though the Judge knew he was being tricked by the police he refused bail anyway............And yeah.....compared to what GBC allegedly did, the police are "only doing the right thing" IMO
     
  14. ellou

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    Morning everyone.....I hope your all sitting down .I have something too share with you .
    I'll try and be brief.
    Long story,cutshort.Iv'e relocated to the northern rivers area,and my partner,has a FIFO,in central QLD.
    I've been checking out shuttle buses etc, to no avail,then thought car pooling!
    Typed in Lismore to Brisbane and a site came up Pick -up a pal.
    Typed in Brisbane,pressed search,then went too search site.
    Clicked in box under search and my heart dropped .
    The first name that came up, was Allison Baden Clay.I thought I was losing my mind ,I'm not joking..So I checked again.
    Who on earth would register that?Obviously someone that has no feelings or morals or a heart.I'm wondering if I can find out who did this .
    I am going to e-mail Pick up a Pal,and give them a piece of my mind.I am going to wait an hour or before doing so.Going check out this site a little more.
    Someone please tell me ,am I seeing things
    I think everyone on this Thread should do so as well.
     
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    Alison was possibly registered with the site at some point in time and her name hasn't been taken down yet. Probably nothing sinister.
     
  16. ellou

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    I have just calmed down and was thinking maybe she did do school runs etc .Thank you
     
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    Have you checked out this Bosscher Lawyers?? "in the news"...dated "June 18th, 2012"


    http://www.ryanbosscher.com.au/news
     
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    Wow looking at that large debt and somehow bringing it done to 120K by just dismissing most of it might be how Gerard managed to get himself into so much trouble. This is a very strange way of looking at the debts but saying they are not really debts, well what are they?

    Just as important as the amount that is owed is Gerards ability to repay it. Looking at how his business has dropped back to a pay by the month serviced office, I would say he is not rolling in income.

    When his statement of affairs are lodged you can bet the bottom dollar will not be only 120k owing, it will be much more than what had been released so far.

    I think the life insurance would have only bought him some more time and he would have ended up right back where he was in financial hell.
     
  19. Woombite

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    Possible Mr Davis gave him advice he did not like.... hence the lawyer shopping going on now.

    Possible that GBC believes he has nothing to lose if he is responsible for the death of Allison. However, he has reduced his chances of a more lenient sentence by costing the public purse bucketloads of time and resources and more importantly, not showing any remorse nor considering the heartbreak and agony that his children and both the BCs and Dickies are encountering.

    Unfortunately, I have seen a similar situation in my own family where someoneone was caught in the spotlights and vehemently protested his innocence and tried to garner support from the weirdest sections of the community. Absolute fear drives these people when they are caught. Our perpetrator showed no remorse and still holds that he is innocent instead of manning up and owning what happened. Still lives in fear as he now has a criminal record and is listed as a sexual offender despite several victims.
     
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    I was friends with about 20 pollies on Faebook, I acrually didnt know any of them, its very rare for them to even log on. Its mostly managed by staffers.
     
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