Just for you Squizzey
Officers getting impatient
"Mr. Baden-Clay, with all due respect your wife has gone missing - you don't seem to be overly concerned for her welfare"
"Well officer - it's a bit annoying that she isn't here to do the jobs. I hope she hasn't lost the iPhone that's not insured. Mind you it's only an iPhone 3 - I gave Al my old one when I upgraded to the iPhone 4. Do you use an iPhone? They're great little gadgets. You can do all these great things with them. Oh and there's this great game called Angry Birds that I play on mine all the time..."
"Sir, we really do need to have more information - you said your wife sometimes goes for a walk in the morning - do you know the route she normally takes?"
" No - not got a clue. She goes out really early - I prefer to stay in bed playing with my big fella" [chuckles]
" Sir, can you describe to us what your wife was wearing when you last saw her?"
"Oh yes - she was wearing grey 3/4 pants and a black tee shirt a really nice lacy bra (my favourite), a g string, cute little socks and her designer joggers. She wasn't wearing her engagement ring though - she always takes that off. Look here it is - such a big sparkler isn't it. It's South African you know. It's a family diamond. Very high quality - would be worth a fortune. Glad that hasn't gone missing."
GBC picks up his phone and dials a number
"Mum - just to let you know the police are here now. I had to make the lunches this morning and drop the kids at school - look I wonder if you can call Olivia to see if she can help me. I'll need someone to pick up the kids this afternoon and feed them - I have work to do... Yes Mum, I have taken my Dexies this morning! Yes and I've brushed my shoes. Gotta go Mum"
"Sir, can you tell me what state of mind your wife was in when you last saw her, was she unhappy about anything, depressed maybe?"
"No she was fine, I had just sent her to that top hairdressing salon - paid a fortune for her to have her hair done so she would look nice at the conference today. Oh hold on just a minute..."
GBC picks up phone again
"Hello REIQ it's Gerard Baden- Clay here. Is that Narissa? .... Hi Narissa, sweetheart, look I wonder if you can do me a favour. My wife Allison was supposed to go to the conference in town today and she won't be able to get there - can you organise to refund us for her ticket... Thank you so much. I'll take you out for a drink next time I come into town. Bye Sweetheart".
Policeman getting grumpy
"Sir, can I ask you to please refrain from making more calls until we have the information we need. So what you are telling us is your wife hasn't been depressed about anything"
"Errmm - not sure. I think she did once mention seeing a psychiatrist or something like that.... or was it that she thought I should talk to one. I can't remember that sort of stuff ..let me have a look. See with the iPhone you can just search for anything on this thing and get information really easily. Here we go..Psychiatrists in West Brisbane - wow there are so many"
Thanks for your observation and explaining it Dr.
Now tell us what you see the body of Allisons' doing...can you make out which is leg or arm or anything?
And what could the police 'view clearly ' to see COD soon
Sorry Doc, but I disagree. The creek is regularly used for canoeing coming from further upstream (from info I read some time ago, incl. guidelines to some small rapids after rain, etc). IMO she was placed under the bridge where she was found, so that her body would be found, but not after some time and after some decomposition had taken place. Also, it appears there was no intention of covering or burying the body. IMO there is a financial reason attached to this crime and insurance claim was part of the perp's motive. All just my speculation, of course.
Can I just say, I dont really like the broncos??? haha but go the mighty maroons
Dear Possum Heart,
"Hi jools,
The rumoured car at the showgrounds has been discussed and refuted.
"Ms Baden-Clay was last seen at her residence at Brookfield, west of Brisbane, on Thursday night. Her car remained on the property yesterday."
I feel I have been slapped down, and will not make any further comments. I joined relatively recently so have not read every post on the subject, hence my question, based on an observation by a local.
PS good point about potential wanting the body to be found ... I just find it hard to imagine, but this isn't once of the most common sense cases after all ... So anything could be right!
In my opinion, from what I have heard and read, it seems to me that GBC has managed, over the years, to weave an incredibly intricate web of deceipt, and generally duping people including locals/ neighbours, perhaps family members, Church people, local schools, business and finance people, and councilors and politicians. As an earlier post stated: its not even who you know, but what you know about who you know, and probably still has considerable (potential, maybe) power from what he knows about quite influential people, who are now probably obliged to help out eg with finance, in order to avoid any backlash. Perhaps the person who knew most of what had been going on was his wife? This is purely my own opinion.
I think I was one of them. Was told by a local their friend saw a white 4wd and a small blue car parked up very close behind it (so close they thought they'd collided so slowed down to look). It was a very brief second hand mention, and the cars were in a different order to that reported later, and no mention the blue car was a 4wd. It was mentioned to me a while before the reports came out in the paper so presumably it's reliable in some way. The person definitely reported it to police anyway.
The main point, for me, is that there are so many other places that she could have been "hidden" in such a way that she would be very likely to be found. And much closer to home - no need to drive 14Km with a body in the back of the car. There are paddocks, creeks, plenty of dams within easy access of the road (we searched ours, and the search helicopters searched several others around us from very low altitude). There are overgrown areas all along where Allison would be likely to have gone walking, making a random attack by a third party while out walking much more consistent and likely.
But no - the body was driven 14Km, and put somewhere that is very hard to get to. And the bridge itself is not one that gets walked over very much, and the resting place of the body would be almost impossible to see from the bridge itself unless looking over the parapet - which would rarely happen.
I still think it was pure fluke that the kayaker found her (unless it was a tip-off job). Maybe the police have that information? What made the kayaker poke up into Kholo Creek while paddling the Brisbane River?
Just a thought....
The main point, for me, is that there are so many other places that she could have been "hidden" in such a way that she would be very likely to be found. And much closer to home - no need to drive 14Km with a body in the back of the car. There are paddocks, creeks, plenty of dams within easy access of the road (we searched ours, and the search helicopters searched several others around us from very low altitude). There are overgrown areas all along where Allison would be likely to have gone walking, making a random attack by a third party while out walking much more consistent and likely.
But no - the body was driven 14Km, and put somewhere that is very hard to get to. And the bridge itself is not one that gets walked over very much, and the resting place of the body would be almost impossible to see from the bridge itself unless looking over the parapet - which would rarely happen.
I still think it was pure fluke that the kayaker found her (unless it was a tip-off job). Maybe the police have that information? What made the kayaker poke up into Kholo Creek while paddling the Brisbane River?
Just a thought....
Can I just say I don't really like spritzers what about those Broncos
Just re Dr Watson's post, suggesting Allison's body was washed to he place she was discovered ... Completely agree ... I think I mentioned in an older thread, very early in the piece police interviewing someone at length said they suspected 2 people involved, and that Allison's body was dumped near the scout grounds, extensive searches were done of that area and not reported on in any detail. I know lots of people are claiming the way her body was position shows she may have been thrown etc., but I think there will be more to come re.the place she was disposed of, the effect of flood water, and how they came to the conclusion more than one person was involved.
To my knowledge this was well before any reports of 2 vehicles, although that information could have already been given to police... However the conversation/interview i'm referring to happened within a day of Allison being found, and I assume the reports of cars came after the Kholo Bridge location was publicised.
IMO etc ...
The main point, for me, is that there are so many other places that she could have been "hidden" in such a way that she would be very likely to be found. And much closer to home - no need to drive 14Km with a body in the back of the car. There are paddocks, creeks, plenty of dams within easy access of the road (we searched ours, and the search helicopters searched several others around us from very low altitude). There are overgrown areas all along where Allison would be likely to have gone walking, making a random attack by a third party while out walking much more consistent and likely.
But no - the body was driven 14Km, and put somewhere that is very hard to get to. And the bridge itself is not one that gets walked over very much, and the resting place of the body would be almost impossible to see from the bridge itself unless looking over the parapet - which would rarely happen.
I still think it was pure fluke that the kayaker found her (unless it was a tip-off job). Maybe the police have that information? What made the kayaker poke up into Kholo Creek while paddling the Brisbane River?
Just a thought....
Mouse, you cracked me up with your parts 1 & 2 of 'Boy Scout Gone Bad' (title of 'The Movie' courtesy of a poster whose name I cannot remember but it cracked me up too lol). Bravo! Bravo!!
I think that if the Prosecution can show how ridiculous the accused is, just like you have, then they would have a good chance of winning over a jury of 'average joes'.
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::lol::lol::lol:
I don't know the specific creek, but in others in the area, there is a variety of terrain that is usually dry but completely submerged or under rapids after a few days of heavy rain in the region. I've walked some of them, and you will see huge washouts, either silted or gravel filled, where the water has eroded the creek bed. You could hide a car in some of them, if you then covered it with rocks, logs, dirt etc. when it rains heavily, the whole thing would get washed up again and end up once again a hole, and whatever was in the 'hole' would be washed downstream. IMO someone who kind of knew the creek but never saw it under flood, could hide a body in what they thought was a ready made hiding place, cover it with something, only to find the rains of that weekend uncovered everything. JMO.
PS good point about potential wanting the body to be found ... I just find it hard to imagine, but this isn't once of the most common sense cases after all ... So anything could be right!