Noticing new things

Discussion in 'Darlie Routier' started by justice2, Aug 9, 2005.

  1. justice2

    justice2 New Member

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    Hi ya'll.

    Like I said earlier I thought Darlie did it from the very early newsreports, i.e. no intruder, some of the pictures of the family that were shown on the news, etc.

    I have followed it on and off, and I'll have to admit Darlie does put on a good show, in fact I think that is what makes me go back and look at stuff.

    And some of this maybe things many of you saw years ago, so bear with me.

    The 911 transcripts. I started trying to listen to them with the audacity program, and then I realized how it was more important to talk about who would do this. Way more important than anything else at the beginning of the tape. I would be screaming for them to get there. That just hit me tonight.

    Anybody have any ideas as to why one was stabbed in the front and one was stabbed in the back. Did Darlie favor one child over the other? I don't think I had ever known that one was stabbed in the back. So she didn't have to look at him?

    Also, any feedback concerning the 9-minute time frame that was given as to how long the boys could live with their wounds. Is this an exact science or a good guess? Anywhere I can research this.
     
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  3. beesy

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  4. justice2

    justice2 New Member

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    Ok, I'm with you on all of that too. I haven't read the books but I did go to the two websites and watch the videos. Geeze what a disfunctional family! And yes, that where I saw the pictures of the boys, one stabbed in the front and one stabbed in the back. I've picked up some of the blood evidence from reading the posts here, and I read Cron's testimony.

    One other newish thing that I noticed when getting back into this case. I read their initial police statements too. Don't you think that Darlie mentioning what Darin was wearing is like her picking up the knife, part of the staging. I think there is some clothing out there somewhere that belongs to Darin and has blood on it. I think he changed clothes before the 911 call.

    I just have one other question, what does LE stand for?
     
  5. sue1017

    sue1017 Former Member

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    LE = Law Enforcement
     
  6. Dani_T

    Dani_T New Member

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    There is definitely something odd about Darin and his jeans ;)

    In his vol statement (I think) he makes the comment about remembering his wallet dropping on the floor when he went back upstairs to put his jeans on. That little detail makes me think that either
    a) it happened just like that
    b) he mentioned it specifically to reinforce the fact that he did go up to put his jeans on (whether it was true or not)

    Yet then he changed his mind and said he had them on when he came downstairs (and I seem to remember some testimony or mention somewhere that Darlie and he discussed it i front of others at the hospital?). The 911 tape doesn't leave a lot of time for him to have gone upstairs and there is no blood evidence up there at all which makes me doubt that a bloody Darin could have gone up there after rendering aid to the boys. Yet, when would have put his jeans on otherwise? Surely he wasn't asleep in them and if he was woken fropm a dead sleep with Darlie screaming 'hysterically' then why would he stop to put his jeans on? And what about baby Drake? if he didn't go up to put his jeans on it means neither Darlie or he was worried about Drake. Why not?

    And yet why the change in the story? If you went back upstairs to put your jeans on it should be something you don't get confused about. Yet Darin put his ass on the line and changed his mind about it at trial. Why?

    I've always been confused by this element of the case.
     
  7. justice2

    justice2 New Member

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    Yes, Darin's clothes are one of the many changing stories. I'll have to study that also.

    I was just looking at what we have Darlie saying very early on and I thought it was odd that she would think that it was "important" to put what she observed that Darin had on in her written statement. That may have come from the type of questions they had been asking her though at the hospital. Is that (the hospital questioning) in the trial transcripts?

    It just seems out of place in her written statement.
     
  8. beesy

    beesy myspace.com/beesy_boo

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    Oh sorry I rambled on about things you already knew.:blushing: Time of death is a tricky thing to prove. That's one reason it's helpful we know a timeline for Damon. I don't believe there was any coagulated blood around Devon. Which means he had just been killed, but it could vary
    by several minutes. Anybody know how long he could have been dead before blood coagulates?
    Yeah, telling everybody what Darin had on does seem "planned", as if there were great importance in that. I doubt I'd even remember unless something stood out, like maybe if the person raced downstairs in the act of pulling on pants or shirt and stumbled. I think I'd remember that, but it wouldn't be until later that I'd even think about what the person was wearing.
    Were a pair of Darin's pants tested? The ones he said he wore the whole time?
    I don't understand why their stories change about the glasses. He's worn glasses at least since HS, so we know his eyesight was pretty bad. Even if did go down without them, which I doubt, he'd have turned and gone right back up to grab them. People who are long-term glasses-wearers, me being one, NEED their glasses. Maybe he just grabbed them and ran downstairs as he put them on?
     
  9. justice2

    justice2 New Member

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    Yeah, I agree with you too Beesy. I wear glasses and I can't function without them. I have a personal experience from many years ago where I was awakened abruptly about 4:30 in the morning, my house could have been burning down, a tornado coming, or any number of things, I just didn't know what was going on. I first checked on the dog (was single at the time, no kids no husband), and then I probably spent 10 minutes looking for my glasses, yes before I even called 911. And I was panicking about finding them too.

    So many questions now. I'll have to get up to speed on the blood evidence too. Seems like I read somewhere on this board that the pants were never tested but were collected as evidence.

    Please ramble on. There is always something in your posts I learn from. I guess right now I'm going through the "what if this, what if that" stage each time I'm study something. This case is so hard not to be emotional on. I had only gotten through about 30 seconds of the 911 tape before I posted. I stumbled onto those pictures of the boys a few weeks ago and it took me a while to come back to looking at stuff. It made me mad that they are posted on the internet. I think that is the first time I ever seen pictures of a murdered child (and I'm no spring chicken either). It seems so impersonal.
     
  10. Jeana (DP)

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    The boys don't exist any longer. If they did, there would be NO way they could allow them to be exhumed and have their hands cut off. They're not out there looking for the "real killers."
     
  11. HeartofTexas

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    For Darin to lie about the jeans (on again, off again), there must be some hidden signifcance to them. What could that be? The only thing I've ever come up with is that he perhaps stumbled on the crime scene while it was going on (maybe thru overhearing Darlie's screams or the screams of one of his boys)... but later wanted to make it look like he had just come downstairs when Darlie called him. But even then I don't quite get the significance of jeans, or no jeans. Just seems like there would be a reason for his lies... something important to him, or to her.

    On a different subject, I've recently been reading former FBI profiler Gregg McCrary's book, "The Unknown Darkness" which profiles the predators among us. He did a big study on Sam Sheppard's case where he compared crime scene indicators frequently found in a staged domestic homicide from the FBI's Crime Classification Manual. It was hard not to note the similarities between Sam's case, Darlie's case, and Scott P's case. All of these killers need to read this book before they go off staging their own crime scenes like the pathetic novices they are! The crime scene really does tell its own story like a good book. That and blood splatter evidence are quite intriguing.
     
  12. HeartofTexas

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    Still thinking on the above subject re the jeans... is it even the tiniest bit possible that Darin originally came downstairs in his jeans but ended up getting blood all over them while perhaps stopping Darlie in the process of murdering one of the boys... and then, because they then decided to blame it all on an intruder, he had to get rid of those jeans (with blood that would have been unaccounted for) and put on a clean pair? The first pair could easily have been discarded (perhaps even on his dash down the alley) or hidden somewhere in the house, or even the trunk of his car, and never discovered prior to the police arriving. He had lots of time after the murders, when Darlie was still in the hospital, to have disposed of them permanently.
     
  13. Jeana (DP)

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    Darlin, I guess anything is possible. I lean more towards it being them trying to emphasize the idea that he heard the glass breaking and Darlie "screaming" like mad and him just coming "quick" because he knew something was "wrong." If he tried to tell LE that he took the time to stop and put his pants on, they would have known immediately that the story was bogus.

    I think that Darlie was making a lot of noise, but I think she did so after she sliced on her neck fearing that she went too deep and trying to get help . . . for HERSELF.
     
  14. HeartofTexas

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    Good answer, Jeana. Darlie always put her own needs first, that's for sure. There is definitely, IMO, something that says they're in cahoots about half of their stories because otherwise there would be no need to lie about so much. While it doesn't make any sense to me, I can still see Darin lying to save Darlie's neck (both literally and figuratively).
     
  15. justice2

    justice2 New Member

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    Well, I think the repeated theme here is they were both involved. Almost everyone says that, just don't know exactly how.

    I also remember when Darlie was first going to court, you know, where she had on the jail clothes and was always tilting her head and throwing her head back so her neck wound would show, "feel sorry for me". I distinctly remember on one ocassion where when she walked into the courtroom it was intensely important to locate Darin and then she mouthed that she loved him. That's another one that has always bothered me. Another action that just seemed so out of place. It got played over and over by the media.
     
  16. HeartofTexas

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    Justice, I think I also read many years ago that Darlie keeping her head pulled back was a sign of defensiveness (in body language). Defendants like Scott and Darlie don't seem to have a clue how their Courthouse antics and expressions look to the outside world. It was very difficult to ever muster an ounce of sympathy for Darlie because she always looked like she was sending a message of "screw you" to the world that was watching. But then, I think words like "sympathy", "compassion", "conscience" and "empathy" aren't words in their vocabulary.
     
  17. Goody

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    Maybe they didn't go into much detail when planning what they would say about him coming down the stairs and when detectives started pushing for detail, they were trying to come up with something that made sense without totally committing themselves to it. If anything is their MO. it was their ability to avoid exactness. But it was more difficult to avoid it in Darin and the blue jeans/glasses, etc. Hence, the two different stories. If Darin was in the habit of sleeping in the nude and Darlie woke in the middle of the night, it would seem normal for him to come bounding down the stairs stark naked, even if he did grab his glasses first. Seems like that should be easy enough to remember. ......unless, of course, she didn't wake him in the middle of the night and that whole part of their story was made up. Then whatever detail they didn't anticipate would be a problem for them.
     
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    The nine minute time frame was based on how long Damon was expected to live after receiving the fatal stab wound(s). And, no,it is not an exact science. The ME estimated how long she would expect him to live with the types of wounds he had. In actuality, it could have been a little longer or a little less, depending, I suppose, on how fast Damon's heart was pumping the blood out of him. At first, it probably pumped it pretty quickly and as the blood spilled, the heart would slow and pump slower. At least that is my understanding, me with my no medical background.

    As far as why one was stabbed in the front and one in the back, I think it has to do with their sleeping positions. I am not sure that Devon was asleep when attacked but the DA seems to think so. Damon, on the other hand, almost certainly was asleep, positioned on his belly. It was probably because he was stabbed in the back that he was not killed as quickly as Devon and had to be attacked a second time.

    Darlie herself spoke in an interview about the boys. She said Devon was the outgoing child, closer to Darin,and that Damon was shy and still more or less a Momma's boy. She spoke as if she did not expect him to stay close to her. I found that a bit odd. She used the word "still" as if she expected him, too, to choose Daddy over her when he reached a certain age. But back to my original point, I think Devon was an onery little fellow who would give as good as he got, and that Darlie probably had a hard time handling him. I think Devon was the target that night and Damon the collateral damage, so to speak.
     
  19. Goody

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    I really don't agree with you on this, Jeana. The boys were dead, their bodies decomposing away. What possible harm could be done by exhuming them to have the tests done, esp if Darlie were innocent. If she did it and she knew it, and put everyone thru that, I can see a criticism, but to say she would have never allowed them to put the boys thru such a test misses the whole point of the whole process, doesn't it? After all, it was not Darlie's fault that the ME's didn't do the fingerprints at autopsy. And the process did not hurt the boys because they were already dead and long gone from this earthly plane. I just don't get your feelings on this one.
     
  20. Goody

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    Did you go to the trial?
     
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    Maybe they went into the gutter with whatever else was discarded that night with the sock???
     

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