NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

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  1. Footwarrior

    Footwarrior Well-Known Member

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    Audio recordings and partial transcript from NPR:

    LISTEN: Amid Chaos In Las Vegas, Police Dispatches Reveal An Evolving Response

     


  2. EllieBee

    EllieBee Former Member

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    Fox News. :facepalm:
     
  3. Mosho Group

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    NO - NYPD can not patrol in Vegas
     
  4. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Las Vegas shooter recalled as intelligent gambler well-versed on gun rights

     
  5. popsicle

    popsicle faith hope love

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    I would think being frugal helps people stretch their worth. Some people choose to be frugal in many things so they can truly enjoy the things they enjoy. jmo
     
  6. enelram

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    So I wonder what business the Australian 'partner' and Paddock were engaged in ???
    I still question the money behind Paddock's activity.
     
  7. Grasshopper

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    Thank you!

    Not to imply that she wasn't aware of anything or to defend her at this point. But as a former victim of a sociopath myself, it wasn't until after he was caught that I realized how much I knew. It's brainwashing. It's being groomed to never ask questions. It's being taught that laying low and keeping your mouth shut is how you survive. I'm nowhere near submissive. But the power of a sociopath is something you can't understand until well after they have mowed you down and tried to take your soul. Tidbits here and there could indicate such a situation. If the prior article about raving jealousy is true, that would fit. It's all about control. Every second of every single day. I found this small blurb as well. Seems innocuous in of itself. But could be more important. Was she his girlfriend or was she his romantic maid? I may be reading too much into it. In some ways, she could be a victim as well. Then again, the argument could be made that she was attracted to his power and money. The below quote prompts me to consider two entirely different viewpoints. All of this is just my opinion and I'm certainly not saying the guy was a sociopath. It is a definite consideration. I'm seeing a lot of similarities to mine: gambling, frequent job changes, alienation from family, quiet, secretive, massive gun collecting, money issues, grandiose living, the love for Vegas, control, self absorbed, superior intellect, etc. Those are just a few right off the top of my head from the outside looking in. If I really pondered on this, I could find plenty more. We had a huge gun safe full including automatic weapons and silencers. I wasn't "allowed" in it. No clue what the combination was. Throw in some hookers and they could be cousins. (My attempt at humor in a dark situation)

    "John Weinreich, an executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa at the time, said he believed that Ms. Danley frequently attended to Mr. Paddock, serving him food and pointing out which machines might be ripe for a payout, eventually becoming his regular host."

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/las-vegas-shooting.html?referer=

    ETA to correct typos

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  8. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    It can also come from growing up poor.
     
  9. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    This is good advice. Sometimes it seems silly the way I cut corners or save money, but then when it's time to do something or buy something I really want I have the extra and I don't feel guilty about it. This isn't frugal, but is sort of the same thing - I love sporting events and I could go to a bunch of games and sit in crappy seats or I could go to only a few and get good seats. It's hard to tell from the outside where someone else's money is going or why they spend it the way they do.

    I'm getting such a Unabomber feeling off this shooter. Like he thinks he's smarter than everyone and knows everything. Except he's like the Unabomber without the letters or manifesto so (for now at least) we have no idea what his message was supposed to be.
     
  10. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    True. And I've seen this in relatives who grew up during the depression, or were raised by someone who was.

    His mother must have had to cut a lot of corners to raise four kids on her own.
     
  11. Betty P

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    If it was illegal (always a possibility), its likely the Australian business partner knew nothing about that aspect. Otherwise, he wouldn't be talking to the news media. However, it would be interesting to know what kind of business it was.
     
  12. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    The brother..............................








    I agree and I have just not got this vibe of all this wealth. wealth might also take us to a big precipitator of his recent decisions.

    A predisposition to mental illness has been clearly established to genetics in the literature and clinical data.

    The brothers relentless focus on his brother being a successful human being
    solely onalleged wealth accumulation, can also swing us around to loss of such alleged can exacerbate mental illness moo


    Imo his rumination of brain tumors strikes me of childhood messages like your father brain is different than others (messages along those lines)

    His notion that the families childhood experiences would result in this profound reported altruistic tendencies flies in the face of the little confirmed info we have now of the entire family system.

    His behavior in and of itself can only be described solely imo, as bizarre, disjointed in thought, deceitful ( the one that stood out to me - there were several- was the utterance about his gun ownership that he changed instantly -- almost as if he realized that could easily be determined by authorities .

    I certainly have empathy for the what must have been a very challenging upbringing- however imo the brothers beliefs, rationalizations are very hard to line up imo

    And hey I know my observations can at time seem intense I found his body language on the second long one (interview) as really odd.

    Planting his legs in that position and leaning up against that car with his coffee cup outstretched looked more like someone that was getting ready to discuss a great football game or something.

    I know that sounds strange but it just struck me so instantly - just strange.

    Emotionally at times he seemed almost childlike while at that same time moo appears as if many who would have initial interaction with him like in a grocery line would have some cautionary vibes.

    The reporters behaviors mimicked what I was emotionally experiencing as I was observing and listening.

    Empathy, anger, mistrust and confusion.

    The messaging about his understanding of his brothers relationship was wildly hard to believe. It certainly makes sense if he was unaware of their , let say, intimacy makes sense.

    But a complete unawareness of the relationship itself is just strange. I am not close with either sister but I do know they are married - and have never given anyone two different versions of that fact.

    Throughout the boasting of wealth did he ever reveal what he did. ?

    Initially as info broke he was like an engineer at Martin - which then reality check ending up being a bookkeeper. On and off not career track.

    Then a mailman for a short period of time.

    Initially the notion was this affluent lifestyle filled with five star accommodations that became comped stuff.

    I do not know this but my assumption would be casino management would be very inclined to provide an unused room and some food to a patron that loses
    money more than wins.

    His final chapter was finely planned imo indicated he had decided to kill himself.

    A millionaire (brothers description solely at this point) who loves a 62 year old woman, who knows he will be dead soon - would send (since it seems that his how he did it) more than a 100000 for the rest of her life.

    Most would do a will - so we will see if that plays out.

    Affluent folks generally take care of end of life money issues via will , not going to a 7-11 or whatever for money transfer !

    Struck me more as a dude who money was very short and had better get something to her before there is nothing left at all but debt. moo

    I would really have to conclude that a brother who has no clue what his brothers marital status is sure is not going to be having long conversations about his brother's mental status.

    It certainly has gotten a lot better in terms of males addressing acknowledging mental illness , however, at no time did the brother appear "enlightened" regarding mental illness or anything else.

    His need defend his having crying bouts also appears to reinforce some pretty old school beliefs as it relates to men and feelings.

    His notions about the male role as being defined as the bread earner is imo pretty conservative beliefs regarding gender roles .

    The notion that someone that out of touch with a sibling can declare that his brother had no been having mental issues for many years hold little validity imo

    His get me a sandwich example had no meaning whatsoever. What the heck was he even trying to illustrate? Just peculiar.

    While describing his brother as loved by money and ten seconds basically describing his brother as quite difficult to be around at times is incongruent.

    There would be few people in my life that would not universally agree that I can be high maintenance!

    Imo most of us do have general temperament - in most arenas the brother is all over the place in his attempt to provide the world an inner glimpse of his brother.

    I did not hear the earlier stuff about the brothers reports of the gf employ but in the second interview it sounded as if he had reported something that was totally errounoues in an earlier interview regarding gf employ and how they met.

    I would think that a nomad vagabond existence is actually more evident of severe adjustment issues as it relates to mental stability and resultant issues as opposed to a wildly neurotic adjusted adult.

    Sounds superficial but for a man who endless harped on being millionaires and living an exoctic life via his brother while having a whatever Pinto in the driveway does not ring congruent!

    Folks with ,imo ,that need and want to be perceived as wildly wealthy would have a passion for having a Bentley in the driveway as opposed to a ugly orange Pinto or whatever !!! Just saying!

    The house looked middle class Americana to me.

    Millionaires can typically obtain their own walkers if needed?

    Folks that can be quirky and (can't remember brothers description ) gossip about others (but according to the brother who doesn't) typically do not end up tossing bullets into 500 strangers, and one in ones mouth.

    It is certainly understandable that he is experiencing distress. His distress , however, to stem more from his false understanding of who his brother actually was - as opposed to any authentic concern about the experiences of the 23 000 people in attendance.

    From the first interview it struck me as the brother had a lot of confused feelings and thought about his brother, his feelings for his brother . It struck me as the role was more of a father than sibling.

    It would appear that this (fantasy bonding) would be very very very traumatic for him. It is rewounding for this poor man.

    It is imo replication of his bio father and all the trauma he experienced in dealing with his father -- being triggered by his brother being gone, his brother as providing him some sort of feelings of safety. He is now thrust back into a very scary place in his own life. Another caretaker gone.

    [FONT=&amp]Fantasy bonding as it relates to brothers relationship with shooter:

    ...fantasy bond is a type of relationship where the basic tie is based on routines and [/FONT]
    roles[FONT=&amp], rather than spontaneous feelings.[/FONT][SUP][1][/SUP][FONT=&amp] .....

    imaginary connection formed originally by the infant with the parent or primary caregiver,

    also describes an illusory connection to another person that adults attempt to establish in their intimate associations,


    .... type of bond is differentiated from the positive bonding that occurs in secure attachments....


    bond offers an illusion of love which prevents real emotional contact, and can be linked to the pseudo-independence of the self-parenting character.[/FONT]
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    [/SUP][FONT=&amp]
    ..... origins of a fantasy bond can be found in the failures of childhood parenting, [/FONT]
    denial[FONT=&amp] of which leads to an over-valuation and [/FONT]idealisation[FONT=&amp] of the parent/parents in question.[/FONT][SUP][4]
    [/SUP][FONT=&amp]
    The result can be a sense of [/FONT]
    grandiosity[FONT=&amp] based on the internalisation of the parental value systems,[/FONT][SUP][5][/SUP][FONT=&amp]an acceptance of the [/FONT]inner critic[FONT=&amp] with its [/FONT]automatic thoughts[SUP][6][/SUP][FONT=&amp] as a substitute for real relating.

    ....over-idealisation of the past protects against the re-emergence of painful memories, .... (dad)

    but also ties into the perpetuation of current relationships[/FONT]
    [SUP][7](his relationship with his brother in his later years )

    [/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP][FONT=&amp] The fantasy bond acts as a painkiller that cuts off feeling responses and interferes with the development of a true sense of self,

    ......... the more a person comes to rely on fantasies of connection, ....[/FONT]
    [SUP]


    The fantasy bond is the primary defense against separation anxiety, interpersonal pain, and existential dread

    .....later life the fantasy bond may provide an illusory sense of safety against the threat of the approach of death.
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    . A fantasy bond allows them to maintain a certain emotional distance while relieving loneliness,...`

    [/SUP]Hey just saying if I were clinically involved with this family system I would be doing some suicide education for family members while seriously assessing him often.........

    Moo-- I t


    The setting up cameras , more than anything , imo seems to illustrate intense determination not to be interrupted until he had completed what he wanted completed.

    The brother flipping this around to some notion of genius as opposed to desperation is , to say the least rather alarming.

    Basically boasting that his brother has been wildly manipulative throughout his life , as some positive trait is twisted.

    IMO an inability to get needs met in a healthy manner as opposed to deceiving others in order to do so is pathology not a genius deal.

    As we go this strikes me as profoundly mentally disturbed individual whose illness resulted in his choices and behaviors the other night.

    just a ramble moo!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_bond

    https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/scien...or-mental-disorders-share-genetic-roots.shtml
     
  13. KaaBoom

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    She is 62 years old. Maybe her health is not great? I don't think it is necessarily that unusual to see a 62 year old wheeled through an airport. I believe most airlines will provide wheelchair service to passengers who have difficulty walking. As someone else posted, maybe they used a wheelchair because she could not walk very fast, and they wanted to expedite her departure from the airport.
     
  14. Hiandmighty

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    If my live in killed a mess of people and I had to go back to the us for interviews, I'd probably be all up on Xanax, just sayin... might need a wheelchair
     
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    That too.
     
  16. Grasshopper

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    Indeed! There is so much strange!

    My predilection is that it was suggested/provided as a matter of speed. But, I imagine the woman hasn't slept much and is likely overwhelmed physically and emotionally. Even a younger person would likely be suffering physically from the stress if they had any heart at all. Between the horror of the action, losing someone you love and being under a worldwide media frenzy, I'd be on the verge of a breakdown... despite the quote going around that she has a "clean conscience." A clean conscience about her own actions in the crime doesn't alleviate a person's grief and inner turmoil about what they could have done to prevent it. Whether there was a possibility of it or not. Her life has been devastated in every way imaginable. That takes a physical toll. Then again, there were thousands of lives that have been devastated at this point. Truly struggling with my empathy for her. It's all over the place right now. It's my INFJness trying take the driver's seat.

    But I'm keeping an open mind. She very well could be complicit and this was a calculated move. In this world, truly, anything is possible.


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  17. Isabelle

    Isabelle Verified registered nurse

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    Agree, it could have been for speed and cover.
     
  18. oceanblueeyes

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    I think what it really means is there really isn't a hard set profile on anyone who may become a mass murderer. In the end it is always the mindset of the individual who becomes one regardless of age.
     
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    The NV LT. Governor:

    ".....We saw and heard story after story like this. Ordinary Americans helping other ordinary Americans. It&#8217;s a great day for America. It&#8217;s a very sad day for Las Vegas, my hometown. Tragedy beyond words but this is the day when Americans helped Americans. Make it through the night. I say God bless them all."



    I think we needed to see it in it's entire context. I do think it was very very poorly worded. But he was trying to point out the spirit and helpfulness that brought all of the people together during the enormous tragedy.
     
  20. oceanblueeyes

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    I think that was the reason. I have seen several photos of MD and she seems to be quite fit. I think they wanted to get her out of the airport as quickly as possible thinking the media may not pick up on it if they had her in a wheelchair. Plus like you said, they could do all of this much quicker.
     
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