NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

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  1. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    Las Vegas shooting death toll rises to 59, no apparent connection to international terror

    The shooter, perched on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, sent more than 22,000 country music fans scrambling for their lives.
    One witness described the shooting as "non-stop gunfire."


    Las Vegas Shooting Live Updates: Multiple Weapons Found in Gunman’s Hotel Room

    The police found the gunman, whom they identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, dead in his room at the hotel. Investigators were still combing through Mr. Paddock’s background and searching his home on Monday.

    How the Shooting in Las Vegas Unfolded

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    This is NOT a political debate. There will be zero tolerance for politicizing this American tragedy. Period. We will discuss the case, the shooter, the victims, the crime. Posts that are not compliant with this rule will be removed and members risk losing their posting privileges if they do not abide.
     


  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Good Evening Everyone,

    We will not allow this discussion to go off the rails.

    Do not discuss anything but the tragedy in Las Vegas and all that is connected to the shooting.

    If people start insulting each other I will give you a long time out or a lifetime ban.

    This is very easy to do so understand what I am about to tell you: DO NOT GET PERSONAL!!!!!!

    What does getting personal have to do with the shooting in Vegas?

    Not one single person cares what you think of another poster's opinion and therefore you are making this thread about YOU!!

    I am asking nicely.

    Keep on topic and don't get personal.

    We have enough anger in the world. Let's leave it at the door and have a civil discussion, shall we?

    Tricia
     
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hi Everyone

    Please remember absolutely no media sources unless they are mainstream, law enforcement or the few Websleuths approved blogs.

    If your source is considered a right-wing conspiracy page or a left-wing conspiracy page you can rest assured it is not approved on Websleuths.

    What happens if we allow these pages is the discussion goes off the rails and ends up as far out there as the rings around Saturn. It makes Websleuths look ridiculous.

    Stick to the facts as we know them.

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  4. sillybilly

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    As most of you know, WS does not normally allow discussion of conspiracies, but due to the sheer magnitude of this tragedy, members have been extended a lot of leeway compared to what is normally allowed/disallowed under The Rules.

    Based on rational and objective consideration of MSM/LE information we have to date, there is nothing to substantiate a conspiracy in this case. Those who favor a conspiracy scenario do not have their opinions validated when they can't provide more than conjecture that conspiracies exist in this case.

    No matter how factually opinions are presented by those who don’t support a conspiracy, those who believe there is one won’t accept that others hold a different point of view based on objective analysis of what is available through MSM/LE at this time. Neither side is going to convince the other to swing to their belief, and reasonable debate between those two groups becomes next to impossible.

    So let's move on from the conspiracy theory discussions and stick to facts available to us through the usual MSM/LE, and few WS approved blogs.

    As of now, it`s back to WS standard procedure, which in part is:

    If a person is a victim, do not disparage them or accuse them
    If something is your opinion, make that very clear
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    Please Thank all of the opening posts to indicate that you have read and understand what is expected.

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    The Las Vegas hotel security guard and the building engineer are scheduled to appear on the Ellen DeGeneres show on Wednesday afternoon (10-18-17). This should be interesting.

    “Tomorrow, the first people to encounter the Las Vegas shooter are here – security guard Jesus Campos and building engineer Stephen Schuck, DeGeneres wrote on Twitter."

    ​https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...es-show.html&usg=AOvVaw1qbi31Hfh3OYx8xejZf4j-
     
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    Whew. I am looking forward to this thread. With facts.

    Ellen... such an odd choice, as it is usually a comedy show. And is prerecorded, which means it already happened. I need to remember to watch

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  8. MIKAYOYO

    MIKAYOYO What?

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    So I was on extended vacation when this tragedy happened and haven’t posted a lot on this thread but why is he doing Ellen? Don’t get me wrong I absolutely love Ellen but thought he would do a news interview. Maybe he’s smart to do Ellen show I don’t know but I’m interested in what he has to say for sure.
     
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    http://nypost.com/2017/10/18/hero-guard-at-center-of-vegas-massacre-to-break-silence-on-ellen/
    Security guard Jesus Campos said he was originally called to the 32nd floor to check on an open door, and then found that a stairwell door had been blocked by a metal bar.
    “At that time I heard what I assumed was drilling sounds. And I believed that they were in the area working somehow,” Campos told daytime-talk host Degeneres on the episode to air WednesdAy
     
  10. enelram

    enelram World's Best Dog Bite Investigator

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    Could be Ellen offered the most money. Speculation only. Maybe next we'll see brother Eric there also.
     
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    In the interview, Campos said he believes those drilling sounds might have been Paddock’s opening gunfire — and that the gunman fired on him through the door after Campos accidently let a hallway door slam.
    “As I was walking down [the hallway toward Paddock’s room], I heard rapid fire and at first I took cover,” he said. “I felt a burning sensation. I went to go lift my pant leg up and I saw the blood.”

    http://nypost.com/2017/10/18/hero-guard-at-center-of-vegas-massacre-to-break-silence-on-ellen/
     
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    When Campos was shot, maintenance worker Stephen Shuck told Ellen he was arriving in that hallway to check on the barred door.
    “That’s when Jesus, he leaned out and said, ‘Take cover, take cover,’ ” said Shuck, who credited Campos with saving his life.
    At about the same time, a female guest came out of her room and Campos shouted at her to get back inside, he told Ellen.



    http://nypost.com/2017/10/18/hero-guard-at-center-of-vegas-massacre-to-break-silence-on-ellen/
     
  13. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    Or maybe he thinks she will let him say it as it is, with no influence from her.
     
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    I wonder if this is his way of controlling the interview with his truth, not the story (slant) that MGM or the union wanted to control. Something happened that night and there was a meeting that he was left out of IMO and he was not going to go along with it. Maybe this is his way of making sure his story is told without slants.
     
  16. Betty P

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    I'm thinking she also may have agreed to do a more relaxed interview - friendlier, not confrontational.

    Just saw a clip on the Today Show and it's obvious he's still very emotional and traumatized by the event. Good for Ellen for taking it easy.on him. He has someone else with him in the interview who places a hand on his back/shoulder to soothe him when he's talking.
     
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    Thank you for posting the interview. Interesting that it was not drilling, but gunshots that he heard.
    I feel so much for these men, especially Campos. From the interview he seems to not have any ego (for lack of a better word) about being a hero. He just wanted to tell his story once then to be left alone. Hopefully he can now move forward and heal.
     
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    There are Ellen slots at our casino. I am many states away from Vegas so I don't so I don't think it in any way connects Ellen to MGM.
    There are many different slots in casinos with celebrities and shows featured on them.
     
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    Reporter on Today show said both refused money so it was donated to victims fund
     
  20. Ambitioned

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    Heard from a friend that MGM is one of the Ellen show sponsors. Would be interesting to find out if that's true or not.
     
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