NV - Reno, WhtMale UP7633, ~60, 'Carlos Otero', suicide by IV, Aug'99

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  1. astridxx

    astridxx New Member

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    Date Found: August 14, 1999
    Washoe County Coroner Case #0730-99
    White male, thin build, 64.5 inches tall, 137 pounds, estimated 60 years of age. Dyed brown curly hair with grey roots, Blue/Grey eyes, wears glasses. Has a 9" vertical scar on his stomach and has upper teeth missing. Body was clad in a brown short-sleeved pajama top, a pair of red plaid boxer style shorts and a pair of brown socks. Found in Colonial Motel room. Bronx, New York fictitious address. He had a luggage tag with a fictitious name of Carlos F. Otero. Used elaborate IV device to self-inject.
    Cause of Death: Overdose of thiopental/Suicide
    Agency: Reno Police Department, case #189998-99

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/7633

    https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/6717 (PM pic at link)
     
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  3. astridxx

    astridxx New Member

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    I have to wonder if he was a doctor of some sort at some point in his life. I don't know that common folk would be able to rig up a drug used in lethal injections like he supposedly did. Who the heck even has access to that!?

    Sodium thiopental - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Thiopental is still rarely used as a recreational drug, usually stolen from veterinarians or other legitimate users of the drug; however, more common sedatives such as benzodiazepines are usually preferred as recreational drugs, and abuse of thiopental tends to be uncommon and opportunistic."
     
  4. annemc2

    annemc2 her name is Suzanne Marie Sevakis

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    No kidding. If that's IV tubing that's in the photo then he practically put in his own central line. (unless he already had a port? but then again the ME would have noted this - sounds like he rigged it up himself).

    Being able to construct an "elaborate IV device" coupled with access to sodium thiopental sure points to a background in anesthesia/surgery.

    I wonder what was in the suicide note?
     
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    astridxx New Member

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    Wow, good eye!!!! I can't even find the tubing. :X I wonder if it would've been mentioned in that book that has been suggested in the 1996 suicide of Annandale Jane Doe -- the final exit was it called??
     
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    annemc2 her name is Suzanne Marie Sevakis

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    Housekeeping at the Colonial Motel Inn discovered the decedent lying in a supine position in the bathtub with his head resting on a pillow. There were two intravenous solutions hanging from the shower rod attached to an IV in the decedent's right arm. He had injected himself with LR and Thiopental.

    He checked in with a Bronx, New York address that did not check out. His luggage tag had the name Carlos F. Otero, which also did not check out.

    A suicide note dated 8/11/1999 was left for his family although there are no references to the names of his family members. The note is on file with the Washoe County Medical Examiner's Office.



    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2060umnv.html


    Some sources say that he must have had someone there helping him with the IV. I don't think he necessarily did. All he would have to do is take the vial of thiopental (powdered form) and add water (he probably did not care if he was using a sterile preparation at this point). Add the entire vial into the bag of Lactated Ringer's, hang it from the shower rod, insert needle, and let the whole thing infuse. But it looks like he had two bags going? Hmmm...
     
  7. CCart

    CCart Verified registered nurse

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    I wonder if there's indication about what hand he favored, maybe using the note if it was handwritten. The IV was in his right arm which, to me, would indicate left handedness. I am pathetically right handed (as in, my left hand is only there for looks), so maybe others would have an easier time starting an IV with their non-dominant hand, but for me it would be a bloody mess. If he was left-handed, that could rule in and out certain people. If he was right handed, it could point to assistance with his suicide.
     
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    astridxx New Member

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    I wonder if they would release the note to the public. If no one else offers to call the guy listed as being in charge, I'll try next week.


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  9. Sue Doe Nimm

    Sue Doe Nimm Nurse of the non-verified persuasion

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    Either that or he was an IV drug addict. I've seen heroin users who are on par with anesthesiologists in finding veins to access so they can shoot up.
     
  10. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    Ruleouts, last updated October 2015:

    Carlo Pfaff 1944 South Carolina
    MICHAEL WATKINS 1949 Nebraska
     
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    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    Additions current as of today:

    Glenn Carroll 1952 Nevada
    Thomas Roberts 1926 Nevada

    Case file was last updated yesterday.
     

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