NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 2

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I admit I was wondering why it was met with such stony silence, every time I posted the link.

I've been in and out the biggest majority of the day. Just a little while ago when I saw your post I didn't realize the link was to the timeline.

Just read over it and wanted to tell you that I thought you did an excellent job and it helps to put everything into better perspective for me! Thank you!
 
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I've been in and out the biggest majority of the day. Just a little while ago when I saw your post I didn't realize the link was to the timeline.

Just read over it and wanted to tell you that I thought you did an excellent job and it helps to put everything into better perspective for me! Thank you!

I passed by it earlier too. Thanks for the hard work. Can you re-post the link? Or maybe add it to your sig line?
 
I'm sorry.
I didn't realize everyone here was waiting for someone else's timeline.

I apologize.
I tend to jump in and do things, and now realize I should have asked for permission.
Again. If I offended someone, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to step on someone else's timeline by posting mine here.

I admit I was wondering why it was met with such stony silence, every time I posted the link.

You're not offending anyone and you don't need permission to do a timeline! I didn't see your link - would you mind posting it again?
 
So many theories.
So many great ideas.

If Steven is still with us, he is way too embarrassed to
call home now, with all the media attention.
I say that he should call his best friend
or the leader of his church
and arrange for them to call the
police and family, saying he is all right,
that he will be in touch soon.

Of course, if he is not with us,
I hope he is discovered soon.
 
I've mentioned more than once that I find myself favoring the possibilities that support Steven just walking away to start over. Then a thought will pop into my head that tells me it's just not possible. ***sigh***

Since Fran isn't posting on this thread, I would like to borrow one of her wonderful sleuthing methods and start a list of reasons to believe Steven is alive, and the reasons to believe he isn't. I would truly welcome everyone's input.
 
WHY WE THINK STEVEN IS ALIVE
No reports of true depression or mental illness from family and friends
No signs of foul play (that we know of)
Unusual travel patterns recently
Exhibited possible secretive behavior prior to going missing
Devoutly religious (suicide not an option)
Quit good job and moved
No serious ties to bind him to St. George
Hasn't been found

WHY WE THINK STEVEN MAY NOT BE ALIVE
Disappeared just prior to holidays with plans to spend w/family
Has not contacted family or friends
Has not used bank/credit cards since going missing
Car found abandoned
Cell phone not working
Left computer at home
Offered to return home for a meeting - indicating he was planning to return home at some point
Down on his luck/lack of good employment/financial challenges
Hasn't been found


I sincerely hope this doesn't hurt or offend Steven's family and friends. Just thinking if we can lay it all out like this, something will click.
 
I've mentioned more than once that I find myself favoring the possibilities that support Steven just walking away to start over. Then a thought will pop into my head that tells me it's just not possible. ***sigh***

Since Fran isn't posting on this thread, I would like to borrow one of her wonderful sleuthing methods and start a list of reasons to believe Steven is alive, and the reasons to believe he isn't. I would truly welcome everyone's input.

Not sure about this being in list form but this is why I think Steven is still alive:

1. we know he was not carjacked
2. he chose that destination so he knew who he was meeting
3. he does not seem impulsive so whatever he was planning was in the works for some time
4. he does not seem like it would be in his character to associate with criminal elements


One other factor and it is not simple to explain. He knew who he was meeting and they no doubt knew each other. If the other person intended harm, then he, she or they would have to have complete trust/hope that Steven left NO backup trail or mistakes that would lead LE to them.

Seemingly there is no trail but to my knowledge no one has done a complete forensic sweep of the hard drive so it all may be there, just hidden from plain view.
 
I have a few points/questions i want to make

1. Why would he need to run away because of a controversial relationship? he is a 30 yr old man who lived by himself. He could very easily hide such a relationship and still maintain his family ties. I don't think Steven would compromise those ties unless he had no other option. But what would force him to have to cut all ties if that is the case?

2. There is no question that Steven had an appointment that day but i believe it was an in and out type of thing so he truly though that he could make it back in time for his Sunday meeting other wise why offer to return for it. It was obviously something worth a trip all the way out there. All things lead to money here i think not forbidden love.

3. As far as the Ruby Valley trip i think he was in the area for another reason and because good friends lived so close he just stopped by to see them. When asked why he was in the area he said oh i was heading to Sacramento. If he went to RV just to see AM then why didn't he go see her in SLC when he was there a few days later?
 
Question from me.

On December 5th Steven helped Paul Doxey's band (acting as a roadie).

Where was that event? Could he have met somebody new there?
 
I've mentioned more than once that I find myself favoring the possibilities that support Steven just walking away to start over. Then a thought will pop into my head that tells me it's just not possible. ***sigh***

Since Fran isn't posting on this thread, I would like to borrow one of her wonderful sleuthing methods and start a list of reasons to believe Steven is alive, and the reasons to believe he isn't. I would truly welcome everyone's input.

Great idea Fairy. Wish Fran was here and a few others. We could definitely use their brainpower and expertise.

I was thinking about a similar type of timeline. Voluntary vs. Involuntary Disappearence. But serves the same purpose either way.
 

Latyonian - The only things I would add/change on your timeline are:

#1 - Regarding phone call with Mom - Early articles state that he seemed upbeat. later articles acknowledged he was having financial difficulties (trouble paying rent and utilities). This conversation prompts Mom to put money into his account (anyone know date of that transaction?) which has not been used and Grandma to send a check (not cashed).

#2 - PI hired December 18th
 
Steven's sister spoke to him on the 9th and 10th she just posted that on FB! His mother also spoke to him on the 10th.
 
Latyonian - The only things I would add/change on your timeline are:

#1 - Regarding phone call with Mom - Early articles state that he seemed upbeat. later articles acknowledged he was having financial difficulties (trouble paying rent and utilities). This conversation prompts Mom to put money into his account (anyone know date of that transaction?) which has not been used and Grandma to send a check (not cashed).

#2 - PI hired December 18th

I would like to know a bit more about the conversation with his Mom. Did she express her disappointment in Steven? Was she pressuring him to come home? Was anything said that may have pushed him over the edge?
 
You're not offending anyone and you don't need permission to do a timeline! I didn't see your link - would you mind posting it again?

I didn't now what to think. I posted the link several times, and you were saying "Wish we had a timeline!" ;)

OK. Sorry to be grumpy. I think I gave myself a headache working on it.
 
I have a few points/questions i want to make

1. Why would he need to run away because of a controversial relationship? he is a 30 yr old man who lived by himself. He could very easily hide such a relationship and still maintain his family ties. I don't think Steven would compromise those ties unless he had no other option. But what would force him to have to cut all ties if that is the case?

2. There is no question that Steven had an appointment that day but i believe it was an in and out type of thing so he truly though that he could make it back in time for his Sunday meeting other wise why offer to return for it. It was obviously something worth a trip all the way out there. All things lead to money here i think not forbidden love.

3. As far as the Ruby Valley trip i think he was in the area for another reason and because good friends lived so close he just stopped by to see them. When asked why he was in the area he said oh i was heading to Sacramento. If he went to RV just to see AM then why didn't he go see her in SLC when he was there a few days later?

I totally agree with your #1 and was just thinking about this on the way home from work tonight. Even if he was into something his family and church wouldn't approve of, Steven is a grown man and free to do what he wishes. Even if it was nefarious, he could at least let his family know that he's ok, and he hasn't done that.
 
Question from me.

On December 5th Steven helped Paul Doxey's band (acting as a roadie).

Where was that event? Could he have met somebody new there?

Doxey's band performs in the St George area, but I couldn't find any reference to the site of that specific performance.
 
Latyonian - The only things I would add/change on your timeline are:

#1 - Regarding phone call with Mom - Early articles state that he seemed upbeat. later articles acknowledged he was having financial difficulties (trouble paying rent and utilities). This conversation prompts Mom to put money into his account (anyone know date of that transaction?) which has not been used and Grandma to send a check (not cashed).

#2 - PI hired December 18th

#1 - There's already a link to the Salt Lake Tribune news story that had the details of that conversation on Dec 10th. Whenever I can find a reputable source to confirm something, I've linked to it (if there's a website) or specify where the info came from. But the news reports are so lengthy and copyrighted, I just summarize and give the link. K?

#2 - Added. Thanks!

(experimenting with link in signature -- I'm used to writing my own HTML. This and Google.sites format are foreign to me, so I'm struggling a bit with them)
 
#1 - There's already a link to the Salt Lake Tribune news story that had the details of that conversation on Dec 10th. Whenever I can find a reputable source to confirm something, I've linked to it (if there's a website) or specify where the info came from. But the news reports are so lengthy and copyrighted, I just summarize and give the link. K?

#2 - Added. Thanks!

(experimenting with link in signature -- I'm used to writing my own HTML. This and Google.sites format are foreign to me, so I'm struggling a bit with them)

Me Again sorry. The link you posted is the article that states the conversation was upbeat. it is not the conversation that reveals the financial problems.
 
Read some of the replies today so far:

-I don't think he met up with someone on Evening Lights and left with them. . .as in he was running away from his life to start a new one. Would that not mean that somebody else would also be missing? Girl, guy, woman, man, etc. . .somebody else would be missing. And I have checked missing persons reports for Las Vegas. . .nothing that really jumps out at me. I guess it could be somebody from outside the area but once again. . .why meet on THAT street? If it's somebody from out of town, they could meet in a casino parking garage. I guess somebody could have picked Steven up and are helping him secretly. . .but for a month? That might work for a week but when you have all of these people looking for Steven eventually somebody's conscience is going to kick in. I think. And I can't think of a situation off the top of my head where somebody hid somebody in those kind of circumstances. On top of that, a person can get in serious trouble doing that. . .especially if Steven is eventually declared dead. This idea that Steven met with someone and they went off together to start anew just does not fly to me and it would be the first of its kind.

-People who fake their own deaths and disappearances rarely get away with it. Most people who disappear vanish because of a crime committed against them. People with much better contacts, means, financial situations, etc. have tried to disappear and got caught. I suppose Steven could get "lucky" but the odds are very, very, very low that he could craft his own disappearance and get away with it given his situations. . .financial and otherwise.

-I did a search on Google with the words "Las Vegas" and "car was found" and "2009" and "disappeared". There was not one. . .not one!. . .disappearance like this in Vegas in 2009. I was surprised. Whereas, Steven's case popped up several hundred times. In fact, in my research the only recent case that comes close to the circumstances of Steven's was Trevor Morse. He got dropped off in a shopping mall by a taxi. Told the taxi driver he was waiting for someone. He stood out in front of a store for a while like he was waiting for someone. Then walked off camera and was never heard from again. Where he disappeared was not near Evening Lights but it happened, once again, in a very similar place. . .an upper middle class part of Vegas. So, Steven's particular circumstances are unique to Las Vegas.

-I am trying to wonder what we would all think if the video cameras did not catch Steven on tape. I don't believe Steven knew the cameras were there, especially camera #1. Would we not think that someone besides him dropped that car off there now that we know he disappeared? Probably. In fact, I think we are all surprised given the circumstances that Steven was proven to leave his own car there. In addition, the only reason we would know that Steven was there would be because of the white SUV. But, without the cameras, the police would have probably not known the white SUV was there, on top of the issue of whethere the driver of the SUV would have remembered Steven on the street or not. Just going through some mental gymnastics here. . .

-I know this may be a given but I really believe Steven stopped on Evening Lights. Nobody saw him walking down that other street that is at the end of Evening Lights, right? And it's noon on a Sunday! People going places. Going to church. Even in that minute of a tape we see the white SUV. So, there had to be more cars riding around that neighborhood at the time and I guess nobody else saw him walking. So, his walking journey ended on Evening Lights, that day, at that time. That may sound simplistic but no one saw him on any other street and that is a long. . .the long way. . .walk up to Anthem if he was looking to catch a bus and leave his life.

I am sticking by my assertion: He was lured there and whoever did it had bad motives.
 
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