Sure, under the table is possible -- but there wasn't that much work to do. All it entailed, was taking people's money via a website, and it went on for at least 8 years. . When they complained, a new (fake) authorization was created to use their credit card was used on another "company". It was all done among insiders, and the bank. The reason I pulled the list of fraudulent companies, was to see if I recognized any, in relation to Steven. I haven't heard back, as to whether Steven had filed a credit card fraud claim.