NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

Discussion in 'Sand Canyon John Doe' started by anthrobones, Jan 6, 2006.

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  1. Sleuthster

    Sleuthster Verified - friend of Wendy Huggy

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    The vin # of the vehicle or tag registration would not have come back to the person LE contacted that was alive I assume because they said they talked with them.
     


  2. daisytrail

    daisytrail Former Member

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    Oh, I think LE thinks the car is related. At this point, so many years later, there has to be a good reason; therefore, I think the car is in some way related.

    However, that long ago, I don't think people were as sophisticated about DNA, nor was DNA as sophisticated as now. Fingerprints, though? Everyone knew about fingerprints.
     
  3. Miss Muffet

    Miss Muffet New Member

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    If possible, please include if there are any notes or recollections of personal belongings in the vehicle that indicated a traveler, a camper, or a transient living out of the car.

    That definitely rules out the strawberry blonde leads. I'm wondering if its the type of reddish brown that is often considered brown until the sunlight lightens it. A family might have reported the missing person as having brown hair, but spending time outdoors could have brought out the red in it. When I see the picture of the hair, I'll have a better idea of if it's worth searching for missing people with brown hair.

    The makeshift campsite inspired my theory for the leads I sent via PM. That still doesn't rule out the auburn hair leads since the same choice could result in someone ending up in a situation like this.

    I'm aware it's casino country and mafia is nearby. The cartel is more cut the hands and feet off than mafia. Mafia is better at disappearing bodies IMO. It could be as simple as a fight over casino winnings. At this time, I'm not trying to solve the murder. I'm trying to identify the body. Any information about his lifestyle or who he associated with might be a clue to his identity. I'm not willing to rule anything out on a feeling.

    I would think off the beaten path would be ideal for dumping a body.

    I'll bet there is very limited information on the car. Since it was found abandoned 5 months prior, it probably wasn't processed since there was no indication it was related to a murder at the time it was found. It was likely impounded without much inspection by LE, and auctioned or junked within a month of being towed.
     
  4. Equestrianista

    Equestrianista .::Jenn::.

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    What I meant is what if the owner of the abandoned car had flagged someone down and murdered them for their vehicle, not that the abandoned vehicle belongs to the victim.
     
  5. Miss Muffet

    Miss Muffet New Member

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    That doesn't provide us with leads to the identity of the body though.
     
  6. Miss Muffet

    Miss Muffet New Member

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    In regards to wondering why the anonymous caller would call if he/she was the killer, I can imagine a family member might want to end other family members suffering the don't-know-what-happened part of having a missing family member. Maybe the car was reported abandoned in hopes LE would discover the body. When that didn't occur, he/she called again to report the body five months later. In addition to wanting to provide closure for other family members, another motivation for wanting the body being discovered could be life insurance.

    As a result, it might be worth investigating if the car owner has any missing family members in his/her immediate or extended family.
     
  7. daisytrail

    daisytrail Former Member

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    Good points. Seven teeth missing? This person was one of the following: Unable to afford a dentist for all but the most pain-relieving work. Extremely afraid of dentists, but he did have a root canal. Mostly ignorant of what it took to care for his teeth. Perhaps this person had been in a shelter of some sort and had been referred for low-cost (government-funded perhaps) dental work. I would look for someone who had accessed either shelters or mental hospitals. If he spent time in a mental hospital, he would not likely have had the dog there. Is this guy a drifter? Could he afford the upkeep on a car? Not even if he owned it, but even if he stole it. Was the dog a recent acquisition? I wonder if the woman who saw the dog also fed the dog. Why would this matter? If the dog was fed but kept returning in the direction of where the body was found, he may have been the dead man's dog. If not, he may just have been a hungry dog. It is hard to tell the dog's physical state under all the hair (which had not been recently groomed in the photo).

    Why would the car owner not have contacted the police about a missing car?

    I certainly have more questions than answers, don't I?
     
  8. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    I bet Jacie could help you with that. She like me, is Native American. She's from out west. I'll give her a shout.
     
  9. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    Chow mix. That is what I was thinking too.
     
  10. Equestrianista

    Equestrianista .::Jenn::.

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    It may not lead to the identity of this person, But I was just making a suggestion as a possible motive.

    I'm also curious to know if the car had been reported stolen.
     
  11. Equestrianista

    Equestrianista .::Jenn::.

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    I think the dog looks like a Chow and German Shepard mix, or chow and retriever.
     
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    They all seem like good enough possibles except Timothy Sparrow, whose date LKA is actually 5 months after John Doe was found. The height for these men all seem to be on target.
     
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    Add "drug user " to the list of reasons a person could have lost 7 teeth. That is not to judge the victim, of course, just another possibility.
     
  14. Willow Knight

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    This interesting info has been stuck in my mind. TWO anonymous calls, I believe they are connected due to being close in proximity. Especially in that area. It's like a call was made regarding the car first, when nothing came of that call, a second call was made regarding the remains. It is my feeling the caller wanted the body to be found. Maybe due to remorse/guilt (not certain what word to use here)? It appears to me they knew each other, the victim and the 'stabber'. Possibly they were friends or relatives , possibly knew friends or relatives of the victim and wanted some type of 'closure'? That car could be the key to some answers.

    Wonder how many people had access or used that vehicle?
     
  15. Equestrianista

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    The detectives/law enforcement who are working this case had posted for us to consider even people who were reported missing after the UID was found, because sometimes dates are wrong or are even purposely reported missing at the wrong date.
     
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    Maybe the caller was part of the killer's family or circle and knew what had happened but was afraid to have the killer find out who called.
     
  17. Jacie Estes

    Jacie Estes Medical Marijuana Advocate

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    With the hawk, canyon and sun graphic, I wonder if the Grand Canyon ever sold a shirt like that in the gift shop or any other place in 4 corners area.


     
  18. Miss Muffet

    Miss Muffet New Member

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    It says 8 missing teeth before death, but I'm wondering about the condition of the remaining teeth and how long before death he lost those teeth.

    Is it possible he lost those teeth during the battery that resulted in his murder? Could he have been brutally beaten before dying? Teeth can fall out when people are punched, right? Or could he have been tortured for information?

    Could the assumption these missing teeth were part of his dental record be causing difficulty in matching him in the missing person database?
     
  19. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Just a SWAG, but those look like turkey feathers to me. Wild turkey whiskey t-shirt?
     
  20. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Another random idea. I will assume that the county welfare and disability offices have been contacted to see who, within that age group stopped picking up their checks about that time? Might be worthwhile if possible.
     
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