NY - 7 children from one family dead in Brooklyn fire

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  1. zwiebel

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    ETA apparently the mother was home.
     
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    tlcya Well-Known Member

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    :( How very sad. So many lost.
     
  7. panthera

    panthera Retired WS Staff

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    What was it being used for besides cooking, a source of heat if left on overnight? I could understand using it only to heat food, but leaving it on is as dangerous as turning on a gas oven for heat.

    Such an unnecessary, tragic loss.

    :cry:

    MOO
     
  8. SugarQueen

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    If left on overnight they could use it to cook with the next day. They would not be able to actually turn it on on the Sabbath. HTH
     
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    panthera Retired WS Staff

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    Thank you for the additional information. It is truly sad that in keeping with their religious practices, seven innocent lives were lost.

    MOO
     
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    "Electricity on Shabbat"
    "Many Jews who strictly observe Shabbat (the Sabbath), especially within Orthodox Judaism, refrain from what is considered turning electricity on or off during Shabbat. They may also refrain from making adjustments to the intensity of electrical appliances. Various rabbinical authorities have pronounced on what is permitted and what is not, but there are many disagreements in detailed interpretation, both between different individual authorities and between branches of Judaism
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat.

    Much more in wiki about use of cooking appliances and thermostats for heat ---when permissible on Sabbath, when prohibited.
     
  11. daisymae

    daisymae Registered User

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    Thank you. They would have had to turn on the hotplate at sundown Friday night and leave it on until sundown Saturday evening. During Shabbot Orthodox Jews will not carry or use money, ride in an automobile, cook, etc. This is such a horrible tragedy.

    In the Jewish faith burials are almost immediate, usually the next day, as they do not embalm nor are they cremated. There are exceptions of course. Joan Rivers was cremated as was Amy Winehouse. I would think services would be tomorrow.
     
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    I had no idea of the restrictions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/n...-between-religion-and-public-safety.html?_r=0
     
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    I just wanted to add that because the mother and one daughter are in the hospital, burial services may be delayed. Also, the family of the father is in Israel and will need time to travel, so I have no idea when services will be held. Bless this family for the tragedy and strength at this time.
     
  14. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    How very tragic.

    Smoke alarms work on holidays too.
     
  15. TravelingBug

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    This is what NYP is saying, not sure if it's accurate as I've not seen anyone else also say it:

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    http://nypost.com/2015/03/21/3-kids-killed-in-tragic-brooklyn-blaze/

    This is saying they're tentatively set for Sunday (and it was updated at 2 am, so not sure if that means they don't have confirmation or if they didn't update the whole thing)

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ured-brooklyn-blaze-officia-article-1.2157746

    Such a sad story! And so sad they've really not even been back living here for all that long, having just moved back from Israel two years ago to move back into her childhood family home and be closer to her family.
     
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    All I can say is........crazy man-made 'rules' in the name of religion. *smh* It's also stated in various news articles that FDNY firefighters set up a table on the street and were passing out pamphlets about fire safety along with smoke detectors and 9 volt batteries - but again due to the Sabbath laws for Orthodox Jews, they're not able to carry anything on the Sabbath so most just passed by the table and took nothing.
     
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    After this I am sure many will buy their own smoke detectors if they don't already have them.

    If it is common practice to leave stoves/burners on full blast all night it is amazing this doesn't happen more often, though one would think if they were worried about the possibilities of fire (and not just trusting that God will keep them safe) they would use timers to turn the power on/off automatically to dangerous appliances in addition to having smoke detectors.
     
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    Nothing is stopping them from doing it today and Monday, also.
     
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    Orthodox Jewish mother STILL doesn't know she lost seven of her eight children in Brooklyn house fire as she recovers in hospital - as plans move forward to bury them in Israel

    A fire tore through a home in Brooklyn, New York a little after midnight early Saturday morning

    The blaze killed seven siblings, ages 5 to 15, and critically injured their sister Tziporah, 14, and mother, Gayle Sassoon
    The Sassoon's rabbi in Israel says a memorial service will be held in New York on Sunday before the bodies are flown to Jerusalem for burial

    Father Gabriel Sassoon was at a religious retreat in Manhattan when the fire broke out

    He told Israeli outlet Ynet: 'Where will I go now? I don't have anywhere to go anymore'

    The blaze began in the kitchen, when a hot plate that was left on, likely to keep food warm during the Sabbath without using the oven

    'This is the largest tragedy by fire that the city has had in seven years,' said New York Fire Department Commissioner Daniel Nigro


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lans-forward-burial-Israel.html#ixzz3V8X0nonN
     
  21. Trident

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    The Jewish Sabbath is on Saturday, that's why they were not taking/carrying them today.
     

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