NY - Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking, 6 July 2019 #2 *FOUND DECEASED IN JAIL

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  1. Ray_of_hope

    Ray_of_hope Verified registered nurse

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    Amen! I totally agree.
     


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    IzzyBlanche Well-Known Member

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  3. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    VI. CONCLUSION
    In Swidler& Berlinv. UnitedStates,the Supreme Court sent a clear message that the contours of the posthumous attorney- client privilege were not to be determined by balancing clients' interests in confidentiality against other judicial policy goals. The decision reaffirmed clients' best interests as the guiding principle when preservation of the attorney-client privilege is questioned. However, in failing to address cases implicating defendants' constitutional rights, the Court left open the question whether defendants' right to present exculpatory evidence under the Compulsory Process Clause warrants suspension of the posthumous privilege. However, the Swidler Court's emphasis on client interests in construing the privilege, as well as previous courts' unwillingness to limit common law privileges when con- fronted with Compulsory Process Clause challenges, makes it unlikely that the Supreme Court will recognize an additional exception to the posthumous attorney-client privilege for exculpatory evidence.
    https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7008&context=jclc

     
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  4. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    And more of a cultural shift on these issues. If you ever watched the HBO Series "Mad Men", it's a good example of what used to be acceptable behavior in the business and political world WRT prostitution, affairs, etc. Women graduating college in the 70's going into the business world had challenges dealing with clients who didn't want a woman handling their business because the men customarily bought them hookers and entertained them at strip clubs. Prostitution and hard partying were an integral part of the business and political world then and now.

    I thought with women's liberation, that stuff would go away, but it appears to be worse than ever. No one is asking for a return to Puritanism, but people need to keep their private stuff private and out of business and politics. And they need to keep it legal. We need change in our institutions, not just our families. Epstein wasn't abusing young girls by making them available to working class folks, he was catering to the elite and it trickles down from there.
     
  5. sds71

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    @ShimonPro

    Also CNN is told the two guards that were at the Special Housing Unit were both on overtime. One was working a mandatory overtime shift. The other was working his fifth overtime shift of the week.
     
  6. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Especially strange considering they were old family and business friends. So many mutual friends who did business with Epstein. So many people with so much to lose.

    These meetings should have been recorded. Some judge needs to sign a SW to get the audio files and lock them up immediately. Before everything disappears.
     
  7. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    All true. But the sex worker industry needs much more oversight than its currently getting. No more of giving a nod and a wink to this kind of thing in the higher circles of power. Or at the local court house.

    Sex trafficking: Trapped and trafficked, Portsmouth's dark secret

    Sex trafficking, drugs and the criminal justice system sometimes go hand in hand.
     
  8. x_files

    x_files Well-Known Member

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    The cell has 24/7 cameras so...
     
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    anything in possible. without seeing morgue photos and autopsy reports...I definitely think he has the means to disappear and never be found.
     
  10. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    The only question on my mind right now with regards to Epstein is ...

    How long until Ghislaine Maxwell succumbs to the same fate?
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised to find that those cameras malfunctioned that night.
     
  12. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    If there is an active case against GM, we should open a WS thread. I don't think there is one though, right? Wasn't there a civil case that was settled, but no criminal case as of yet?

    Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd like to see her face charges for any crimes she has committed. (It's especially painful to know grown women were luring the young girls to JE. I like to think we women have a maternal instinct toward younger women/girls, but that nice idea doesn't seem to be universally true.)

    jmo
     
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    G.M.,Doe V. Giuffre returns to court in September to decide on unsealing more records
    *Doe might have been Epstein
     
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  14. Herat

    Herat Way out West

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    My guess is that they both got a stern talking to from the Queen

    Andrew for his activities with a girl 3 year older than his older daughter AND his continued fraternization with Epstein even after he had been convicted in Florida.

    And Ferguson for her 9 month negotiations with Epstein to accept his money to pay off her debts. And why on earth would Epstein pay off Sarah Ferguson's debts?

    The DM I think was trying to promote the visit of the disgraced York (s) to Balmoral as getting the Queen's approval for their supposed re-marriage. Considering the current state of events with Epstein's death and the exploding court cases, I don't think the Queen would ever sanction that. Rather, send them both off to different very quiet and dull places to live dull and ordinary lives and to not appear in public for years. Oh, and Sarah can darn well work to earn her keep.
     
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    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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  18. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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    I wasn't going to participate in this discussion beyond posting articles I've read about the case, but I'm curious. Is there a "spousal privilege" rule in British courts? Would it somehow benefit Andrew and/or Sarah to remarry and not have to testify against one another in an eventual trial?
     
  19. CoolJ

    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    I hear ya!

    Anyone starting to notice how this thread and all the public forums on this case reads like a “conspiracy theory” thread? The language is the same and the things being questioned are the same.

    Feels like a shift is happening in how people view the whole “pedophiles run the world” thought process.
     
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  20. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    Great question. I hope someone knows the answer.
     
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