NY NY - Bronx, Van Cortlandt Park S, *GRAPHIC *, WhtFem 30-50, UP8507, clothes, Aug'90

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  1. madamx

    madamx Well-Known Member

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    It is interesting because the profile mentions nothing about the ear but in the photo it looks like something is going on there.
    And yes your right there are no sizes or tag brand identifications for any of the clothing. There is so little info to go by.
     
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    victoriarobinson642 Well-Known Member

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    I made a very quick reconstruction of Jane Doe - I made an educated guess on her teeth, as I couldn't see them.
     
  3. madamx

    madamx Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow that looks great! Thank you!
     
  4. madamx

    madamx Well-Known Member

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    Your recon reminds me of Janice Fullam

    • Missing Since10/30/1981
    • Missing FromSmithtown, New York
    • ClassificationEndangered Missing
    • SexFemale
    • RaceWhite
    • Date of Birth05/14/1964 (56)
    • Age17 years old
    • Height and Weight5'7, 120 - 130 pounds
    • Clothing/Jewelry DescriptionA maroon leather jacket, a blue and red striped pullover shirt and tight-fitting jeans.
    • Distinguishing CharacteristicsCaucasian female. Brown hair, green eyes. Janice's hair was frosted in the front at the time of her 1981 disappearance. She has an overbite. Her nickname is Bucky
    Janice Fullam – The Charley Project


    NY - NY - Janice Fullam, 17, Smithtown, 30 Oct 1981
     

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  5. madamx

    madamx Well-Known Member

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    I inverted the photos of Janice. It’s funny how you made the recon with what looks like an overbite and Janice has an overbite
    . Another things that I also just noticed while reading Janices profile is she went missing wearing a red and blue striped shirt and jeans. This doe was found in a red and blue striped shirt and jeans.
    I know it’s years later but I am wondering if it was her and she dressed like that on purpose. Knowing they would look for he in that colored outfit... oh I don’t know just thinking out loud.
     

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  6. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    To clarify. I am an Orthodox Jew. While we all cover our hair when married, not all of us have the custom to shave. Hasidic communities are very tightly knit and someone just does not get lost without the whole community looking for them. Actually all religious jewish communties are like that. There are few that leave and if, they leave for good. If someone commits suicide and the community knows, they still try every effort to retrieve the body to give them a Jewish burial, regardless if they left the community or not. Severing all ties usually comes from the party that left. And as I said it is really rare (despite media overinflating it).

    But i am fairly confident that that lady was not an orthodox Jew (also from her dress, pants of any sorts are a no go).

    Rosh chodesh is the beginning of the month and not a real holiday. It has a few little customs (special insertions into prayer and one shouldnt do haircuts and you should eat a nice meal and women shouldnt do housework) but nothing really significant and important. It is not a holiday, really, in the sense of holiday.
    I think this lady either sported a buzz cut, that was fairly fashionable in 1990, paired with big earrings. Or wore the hair short to wear a fashion wig, she looks Hispanic, Native or mixed race to me. Maybe very light AA, too.
    Or the autopsy shaved her, that is fairly common, especially if blood, debris, dirt mat the hair and make access to the scalp and skull difficult.
     
  7. Mireille

    Mireille Well-Known Member

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    Suggestion:
    Agnes Ann Young
    The image in Namus is kinda blurry and not very big, but I found another one from a news-article
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    CASE: COLD CASE - AGNES YOUNG - DISAPPEARANCE - WEST PIKE RUN TOWNSHIP - WASHINGTON COUNTY
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    Went missing at age 43 in October 16, 1986 according to NAMUS.
    However, the article which was written in 2001 states as follows:

    "Throughout the S.S.A. investigation no one could ever recall physically seeing Agnes. There has been no medical insurance activity for Agnes since 1990." It does not state where this insurance was used, but until then she was, presumably alive?

    Height: 5'2-5'6'
    Eyes: Brown
    Hair: Brown
    Weight: 120-125 lbs

    The tip of the nose reminds me of Doe
     
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    madamx Well-Known Member

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    Susie... thank you so much for clarifying that and shedding more light on this. I love love love when people come here with their life experiences customs and culture to help Cases. Ok so she is not Jewish.. yeah I saw the trailer of that movie and thought of this woman. Thank you..Again!
     
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    madamx Well-Known Member

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    Oh I can see it. And if she lost a little weight in her travels. It’s unfortunate we can’t see her ear.
     

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  10. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    Well, side note, she could purely technically be Jewish (there are plenty Jews Of Color and Latinx Jews, we are a pretty diverse folks), just all I can say is she was not an Orthodox Jew.
    But really, I see no hint as to why she would be Jewish.

     
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  11. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    Her ear looks really weird. Either its the angle of the photo or it is malformed or a cauliflower ear (like Peggy Johnson).
    Contrary to the autopsy, again, she looks fairly non Caucasian to me, I may be super off, but she looks Latina, maybe multiracial Dominican or Puerto Rican. Also maybe very light skinned African American or multiracial.
    She was such a beauty, look at those fine features and perfect skin, even in death! I hope she can get her name back soon!
     
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    I spent an inordinate amount of time googling outer ear deformities and congenital defects. I think the ear could at least narrow down possible matches, but I’m at a loss for the reason for its shape. Then again, perhaps it’s the result of trauma and wouldn’t be helpful.
     
  13. Mireille

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    I am on my phone right now. But after having spend a bit of time as well looking at esr deformities, I learned they sometimes combine.

    It could be "bat ear" combined with cup ear/excessive cartilage. The tragus area looks so odd. As mentioned by a few others here : could be trauma as well. Just... Looks so odd either way, so surely if someone saw it (if her hair was short) they'd remember?
     
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    It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve searched the NYT archives and run a number of Google searches. Outside the NAMUS entry, I can’t find a single reference to this woman’s death anywhere. And I mean anywhere.
     
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    I blew the photo up as much as I could and frankly, it doesn't even look like an ear. I think it is the result death trauma. This was a hanging so it makes sense that one or both ears could have been damaged, torn, or cut away by first responders or coroner. If the coroner did not note a defect for ID purposes then IMO it is just a poor photo. I notice the neck damage and other ear are completely hidden, and I wish they had hid this ear, too.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    It looks like it's at least partly what they call "shell ear."

    Results - EAR and scroll down to just past the birthmark surgery.

    It might be combined with another deformity, or it might have been partially surgically corrected.
     
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    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    i was just asking because sometimes killers depersonalize female victims by shaving their heads (rhoades), and alternately also some women cut off or shave their hair in depression.
     
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    madamx Well-Known Member

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    That is interesting.
     
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    madamx Well-Known Member

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    Bumping
     
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  20. Susikatze

    Susikatze Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes, suicides are not really covered by media. Sad truth.
     

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