NY NY - Brooklyn, Blk male 30-50 UP8101 naked man found rolling in mud, Jan 1990

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  1. Moonwalker9

    Moonwalker9 Well-Known Member

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    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    Warning PM

    Case Numbers
    NCMEC Number--
    ME/C Case NumberK90-00744
    Demographics
    SexMale
    Race / EthnicityBlack / African American
    Possible First Name--
    Possible Middle Name--
    Possible Last Name--
    Possible Nickname--
    Estimated Age GroupAdult - Pre 50
    Estimated Age Range (Years)30-50
    Estimated Year of Death1990
    Estimated PMIMinutes
    Height5' 5"(65 inches) , Measured
    Weight162 lbs, Measured
    Circumstances
    TypeUnidentified Deceased
    Date FoundJanuary 21, 1990
    NamUs Case CreatedNovember 16, 2010
    ME/C QA ReviewedNovember 17, 2010
    Location Found Map
    Street Address60 Fleet WalkBrooklyn, New York
    CountyKings County
    GPS Coordinates40.694756, -73.981695
    Circumstances of RecoveryUnknown black male was found naked, rolling in mud, behind 60 Fleet Walk. Taken to Brooklyn Hospital, where he declined and was pronounced.
    Details of Recovery


    Inventory of RemainsAll parts recovered
    Condition of RemainsRecognizable face
    Physical Description
    Hair ColorBlack
    Head Hair Descriptioncurly
    Body Hair Description--
    Facial Hair Descriptionmustache and beard
    Left Eye ColorBrown
    Right Eye ColorBrown
    Eye Description--
    Distinctive Physical Features
    Item
    Description
    Scar/mark
    12" scar on right side from right chest to the back, irregular scars on right arm


    Clothing and Accessories


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    Was he high on drugs? naked in january rolling in mud?
     
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  2. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Perhaps he had Hypothermia? Hypothermia can cause people to think they are hot so they often remove their clothes right before they die. Not sure why he would roll around in the mud but if there was a large mud puddle, perhaps he thought it would cool him down? In reality, if he had hypothermia his core temp was already very low and rolling in cold mud or any water at would drop his temp more.
    He has a recognizable face. How sad he is still unidentified.

    MOO.
     
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  3. FleurQualia

    FleurQualia Searching Soul

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    This caught my attention, as he was obviously alive when they found him.

    I bet hypothermia is a good bet considering he was naked and it was January in New York. I wonder if there is any other medical condition that could cause him to decline so rapidly? Seizures? That wouldn't explain the state of undress, though.
     
  4. bombardier

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    definitely weird circumstances! really wish cause of death was available, don't know about hypothermia because if he was in a state of vigorous rolling i dont know how he could have deteriorated quickly especially with medical intervention...
    looking for men of his appearance / height / age on NamUs...
    Lawrence Verdell, recently discharged from the military. Asked his mum for some money and then left. I think that facially he is very similar, even clean-shaven.
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    Danny Lee Mitchell - last seen walking to a bar. Don't know about this one...a little too tall, and I doubt the MP would read as an involuntary disappearance.
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    Rex Allen Murray - not much known, just was known to be in downtown Phoenix. His pictures are so blurry but he has a similar round face.
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  5. Goecke

    Goecke Active Member

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    Wow. What an odd case- I'm inclined to think hypothermia as well. He looks super similar to Lawrence Verdell, but the one thing throwing me off is the scar on the UID's chest. It's a foot long so it has to be pretty noticeable, and if Verdell had such a scar I feel like his family would have reported it. The location makes me think lung surgery?
     
  6. bombardier

    bombardier Well-Known Member

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    i agree, a foot long scar from chest to back would match up with a thoracotamy scar from a lung operation. I don’t think a scar not being reported is a deal-breaker, as it could have happened between LV’s last contact (1979) and UID’s recovery (1990).
     
  7. Goecke

    Goecke Active Member

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    I didn't even pay attention to the fact that it had been so long. I agree, he could have easily gotten the scar over the 11-year period if he was LV. The fact that he was recently discharged from the military makes me think he could have developed PTSD and dropped off the grid due to that?
     
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  8. bombardier

    bombardier Well-Known Member

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    I called it to to Camden County PD (I couldnt find an email or FB messenger option to make it a bit less awkward), I gave the LVs name and the UIDs NamUs ID number... lady on the other end sounded confused but she took the information down and said she would pass it along.
    I hope Camden PD actually takes this seriously and looks into it. If anything, it will be the UIDs first rule-out....
     
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  9. Goecke

    Goecke Active Member

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    Thank you so much! I agree, I really hope they take it seriously. Let me know what you hear.
     
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    bombardier Well-Known Member

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    It's been 10 days since I called Camden County PD's tipline, I haven't gotten a call back and no rule-outs have been added to NamUs... I don't know the average timeline of these procedures but it's looking like they might have just ignored my call o_O
     
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    got impatient and contacted the only agency under the UID's contacts - the NYC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. was able to leave an e-mail, which I think is a better approach as you can leave links and sound a bit more eloquent :rolleyes:
     
  12. bombardier

    bombardier Well-Known Member

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    I got a reply from the OCME - good to know that they have their own MPs Unit, and in the future I'll use that email (missingpersonsday@ocme.nyc.gov).

    "
    Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME).



    We’d suggest you share any information that could be helpful in solving the below-mentioned case with the NYPD’s Missing Persons Squad, as well as OCME’s Missing Persons Unit [which can be contacted at missingpersonsday@ocme.nyc.gov or (212) 323-1201].



    Your communication will be shared with the Anthropologist listed in NAMUS for review.



    Thanks,


    Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
    520 1st Avenue

    New York, NY 10016

    212-447-2030

    "
     

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