NY NY - Ellery, Rte 17, WhtFem 30-37, UP15489 193UFNY, GSW, poss from Canada or Europe, note, clothes, Dec'83

[Giuc0]

Ok, I just talked with the specialist of apartheid gross human rights abuses for the SA prosecution.

What makes it very unlikely is the length they concealed the identity.
Assasinations abroad during apartheid-era didn't try to conceal identity, not in Western countries.
In SA and in bordering countries, yes.

So, my hypothesis was wrong for the South Africa apartheid.

I have to look at other dictatorial regimes in those days because they might operate differently.

 

[Giuc0]

@Bit of hope You learn every day when you work about human rights abuses, enforced disappearances... I thought identity concealment worked even when the regime assassinated abroad and I was wrong.

 

[wmm85]

To me, Jane Doe looks like she is of Eastern or Southern European background. Combined with the Italian clothing, I would scour the missing persons lists for Italy and its surrounding countries.

Erzebeth Szita, the missing lady from Montreal, is the closest physical resemblance I’ve seen yet and it’s a shame there isn’t much information available on her.

 

[Al Ka]

Renewed Efforts Seek To ID ‘83 Homicide Victim

For more than 37 years a marker at Sunset Hill Cemetery near Lakewood has noted the final resting place of a woman found slain along old Route 17 in the town of Ellery.

The bronze plate states “Jane Doe 1983,” a simple, yet painful reminder that the woman’s identity — and the puzzling events leading up to her murder — remain a mystery to this day.

“You’d think something would have come up by now,” said Randy Vanderschaaff, a retired criminal investigator with the Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office.

Efforts have been renewed to solve the decades-old homicide by the Sheriff’s Office with the help of a powerful tool unavailable to police in the early ’80s — social media.
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The story of Jane Doe begins on the morning of Dec. 6, 1983, when a truck driver with Niagara Mohawk Power Corp. discovered a body between 8:30-9 a.m. in a drainage ditch along the Southern Tier Expressway, between the Chautauqua Lake bridge and Westman Road in Ellery.
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“The Blue Boy note was emphasized by investigators back in 1983 because they hoped that she may have stayed there and her name would be on a receipt and someone would recognize her having had stayed there,” said Kristie Lyon, an investigator with the Sheriff’s Office.

Lyon said copies of receipts from the motel were obtained from October 1983 through December 1983.
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“With the travel distance between Vancouver and where Jane Doe was found, the time frame of her having stayed at the motel could be vast,” she said. “Also, back then no one remembered seeing anyone similar to Jane Doe at the motel.”

Though theories have been developed over the years, the note’s true meaning or significance remain unclear. The same goes for how Jane Doe ended up in Chautauqua County.
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Vanderschaaff said examination of fingerprints early on in the investigation by the FBI and INTERPOL, an international organization that facilitates worldwide police cooperation, yielded no clues to the woman’s identity. Details of the case were eventually placed in several detective magazines both locally as well as in Italy and other European countries with no success.
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Because she was found on the side of the expressway, investigators looked at the possibility she was with a truck driver before her death. Based on the angle of her wounds, Vanderschaaff previously stated that “Jane” may have been shot from outside the cab of a semi tractor-trailer.

There also were reported sightings of a woman matching her description at trucks stops along Interstate 90, including one specifically at a service station near North East, Pa., the day before the woman was killed. That theory suggests Jane Doe may have been traveling east.
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Earlier this month, the Sheriff’s Office started the “Jane Doe Chautauqua County” Facebook page. It is written in first person and is updated regularly with information regarding the case, including what Jane Doe looked like, the clothes she was found wearing along with the note from the Blue Boy Motor Lodge in Canada.
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Within the last week, Jane Doe’s DNA profile and fingerprints have been sent to Vancouver Police and their coroner’s office to run them against their missing persons database. At present, no matches have come back.

“They will notify us should we get someone who matches our Jane Doe,” Lyon said. “We are reaching out to federal law enforcement agencies who may be able to help us with genealogy and are awaiting to see if our DNA profiles will work to submit. This will take some time for us to figure out as we will be working with a crime lab to assist with this.”
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She continued: “Somewhere out there, there’s a family that doesn’t have any closure. Any case we work, we want to give family closure, whether it’s a burglary or a homicide.”

Information regarding the case can be sent to the Sheriff’s Office at 753-2131.

Renewed Efforts Seek To ID ‘83 Homicide Victim

 

[Giuc0]

Back to the note and the possibility it were telex numbers.

I found this FB post with international telex codes from 1983: Facebook

Maybe it'll help decipher the note!


I have no idea how telex worked in 1983, but it would worth the effort having a look at the telex angle.

 

[Giuc0]

Possibility they were flights numbers?

I look at the correspondance for airlines companies back in those days. Even if I doubt that I'll find something of great value.

 

[Giuc0]

Historical flights numbers are a dead end

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The negative DNA test result was announced Monday on the Jane Doe Chautauqua County Facebook page, a site established by the Sheriff’s Office this year to shed light on the cold case. In a statement, the department said it attempted to match a sample of Jane Doe’s DNA to the daughter of a woman — identified as Erzebeth Szita — who went missing in October 1981 in Montreal.

Szita did match some of Jane’s profile, including her age, the time frame of when she went missing and that she was a resident outside the United States.

Investigators have been following up on several new leads in the case, many the result of the Facebook page and recent media reports highlighting the unsolved homicide. One of the suggestions led investigators to the Szita case in Canada.

“We are listening to you and your suggestions,” the statement posted to Facebook read Monday. “Erzebeth Szita was one of the suggestions. We spoke with Montreal Police who contacted the Szita family directly. We finally were able to have DNA run between our Jane Doe and a daughter of Mrs. Szita. Unfortunately, the DNA did not match.”

Kristie Lyon, an investigator with the Sheriff’s Office, said other tips and suggestions resulted in closed leads due to the lack of similarities with Jane Doe. She did note that after exhausting all current leads, documents in the cold case will be submitted to the FBI for the agency to possibly take on the case.

“The FBI has been a crucial aspect recently with the help with contacting Canadian authorities as well as working with us to get Jane Doe’s DNA submitted to their genealogy labs,” Lyon said. “The process will be lengthy but we are hoping for a positive ID via this route.”

“We will continue to check the Facebook page and if new tips and suggestions come along, we will look into those as well,” she continued. “We are very determined to get Jane Doe identified. We appreciate all of the help from everyone on the Facebook page.”

The victim was described as a white female about 30 to 37 years old, 5 feet, 4 inches tall and weighing about 128 pounds. She had brown eyes, a wart above her left eye, a mole behind her left ear and a scar on her throat. She also was believed to have had a child earlier in her life and resided in Canada or Europe.
Investigators hope FBI can assist in Jane Doe case

 

[Bit of hope]

The negative DNA test result was announced Monday on the Jane Doe Chautauqua County Facebook page, a site established by the Sheriff’s Office this year to shed light on the cold case. In a statement, the department said it attempted to match a sample of Jane Doe’s DNA to the daughter of a woman — identified as Erzebeth Szita — who went missing in October 1981 in Montreal.

Szita did match some of Jane’s profile, including her age, the time frame of when she went missing and that she was a resident outside the United States.

Investigators have been following up on several new leads in the case, many the result of the Facebook page and recent media reports highlighting the unsolved homicide. One of the suggestions led investigators to the Szita case in Canada.

“We are listening to you and your suggestions,” the statement posted to Facebook read Monday. “Erzebeth Szita was one of the suggestions. We spoke with Montreal Police who contacted the Szita family directly. We finally were able to have DNA run between our Jane Doe and a daughter of Mrs. Szita. Unfortunately, the DNA did not match.”

Kristie Lyon, an investigator with the Sheriff’s Office, said other tips and suggestions resulted in closed leads due to the lack of similarities with Jane Doe. She did note that after exhausting all current leads, documents in the cold case will be submitted to the FBI for the agency to possibly take on the case.

“The FBI has been a crucial aspect recently with the help with contacting Canadian authorities as well as working with us to get Jane Doe’s DNA submitted to their genealogy labs,” Lyon said. “The process will be lengthy but we are hoping for a positive ID via this route.”

“We will continue to check the Facebook page and if new tips and suggestions come along, we will look into those as well,” she continued. “We are very determined to get Jane Doe identified. We appreciate all of the help from everyone on the Facebook page.”

The victim was described as a white female about 30 to 37 years old, 5 feet, 4 inches tall and weighing about 128 pounds. She had brown eyes, a wart above her left eye, a mole behind her left ear and a scar on her throat. She also was believed to have had a child earlier in her life and resided in Canada or Europe.
Investigators hope FBI can assist in Jane Doe case

Wow...thanks for posting..I had high hopes that Mrs. Szita was a match, sadly/gladly (I don't know) she is not. Bummer....Thanks to @dotr , who found this possible match. And also @Find Brenda for following it up. Sadly we still don't know who this lovely lady is...I have the feeling she will be identified not that far from now.

 

[Bit of hope]

For convenience...this is her official LE Facebook site Jane Doe Chautauqua County

 

[dotr]

The negative DNA test result was announced Monday on the Jane Doe Chautauqua County Facebook page, a site established by the Sheriff’s Office this year to shed light on the cold case. In a statement, the department said it attempted to match a sample of Jane Doe’s DNA to the daughter of a woman — identified as Erzebeth Szita — who went missing in October 1981 in Montreal.

Szita did match some of Jane’s profile, including her age, the time frame of when she went missing and that she was a resident outside the United States.

Investigators have been following up on several new leads in the case, many the result of the Facebook page and recent media reports highlighting the unsolved homicide. One of the suggestions led investigators to the Szita case in Canada.

“We are listening to you and your suggestions,” the statement posted to Facebook read Monday. “Erzebeth Szita was one of the suggestions. We spoke with Montreal Police who contacted the Szita family directly. We finally were able to have DNA run between our Jane Doe and a daughter of Mrs. Szita. Unfortunately, the DNA did not match.”

Kristie Lyon, an investigator with the Sheriff’s Office, said other tips and suggestions resulted in closed leads due to the lack of similarities with Jane Doe. She did note that after exhausting all current leads, documents in the cold case will be submitted to the FBI for the agency to possibly take on the case.

“The FBI has been a crucial aspect recently with the help with contacting Canadian authorities as well as working with us to get Jane Doe’s DNA submitted to their genealogy labs,” Lyon said. “The process will be lengthy but we are hoping for a positive ID via this route.”

“We will continue to check the Facebook page and if new tips and suggestions come along, we will look into those as well,” she continued. “We are very determined to get Jane Doe identified. We appreciate all of the help from everyone on the Facebook page.”

The victim was described as a white female about 30 to 37 years old, 5 feet, 4 inches tall and weighing about 128 pounds. She had brown eyes, a wart above her left eye, a mole behind her left ear and a scar on her throat. She also was believed to have had a child earlier in her life and resided in Canada or Europe.
Investigators hope FBI can assist in Jane Doe case

Thanks for the update (i cannot access fb) posting on ES's thread..
CANADA - Erzebeth Szita, 37, Montreal, Quebec (Nun's Island) 30 October 1981

 

[dotr]

Investigators Hope FBI Can Assist In Jane Doe Case
March 2 2021

Pictured is the grave marker at Sunset Hill Cemetery for Jane Doe. P-J photo by Eric Tichy

''A DNA test between the daughter of a missing Montreal woman and Chautauqua County’s Jane Doe homicide victim has come back negative. However, renewed efforts to identify the woman found dead in December 1983 along the Southern Tier Expressway in the town of Ellery could soon be bolstered with the help of the FBI.''

''The victim was described as a white female about 30 to 37 years old, 5 feet, 4 inches tall and weighing about 128 pounds. She had brown eyes, a wart above her left eye, a mole behind her left ear and a scar on her throat. She also was believed to have had a child earlier in her life and resided in Canada or Europe.

To this day, Jane Doe has not been identified, and no charges have been filed in the case.

Information regarding the case can be sent to the Sheriff’s Office at 753-2131 or through the Jane Doe Chautauqua County Facebook page''.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Thanks for the update (i cannot access fb) posting on ES's thread..
CANADA - Erzebeth Szita, 37, Montreal, Quebec (Nun's Island) 30 October 1981

Update:
The Chautauqua County Sheriff's office has been following up on a possible match to our Jane Doe for the last few weeks. This included FBI and the Montreal Police in Canada and the crime lab in Montreal. We are listening to you and your suggestions. Erzebeth Szita was one of the suggestions. We spoke with Montreal Police who contacted the Szita family directly. We finally were able to have DNA run between our Jane Doe and a daughter of Mrs. Szita. Unfortunately, the DNA did not match.
The next step is working further with the FBI and submitting Jane Doe's DNA into the genealogy companies that they work with. This will be a long process but we had to eliminate our current leads before going to this next step.

The Sheriff's office is very much appreciative of all of the tips and suggestions and we are following up on them all. We are determined to get Jane Doe identified.



Crime Scene Television shows have created a world where it can lead us to think that DNA is a simple process & results are back within 45 minutes. We certainly wish this was the case. Now, think back to the 1980's where there was no data banks for DNA. It was on the verge of forensic science for Law Enforcement. Fast forward to today where we have national data banks but, not everyone is in those data banks. This includes individuals from the past that are not in these banks & we are working with a high likelihood that Jane Doe in not from the USA. We are currently working with Interpol for this but it takes time.
We do have the DNA profile of Jane Doe. It is not as simple as contacting ancestry sites or private labs to help solve these cases as it may seem to be. The civilian ancestry and DNA corporations unfortunately do not work with the type of DNA that we have. We have searched that route before. Genealogy is our next step and we are currently working on seeing if we will have the ability to enter her DNA to the corporation that does work with Law Enforcement. We are talking with Federal and International agencies every day right now.
Please keep sharing Jane Doe's page and help to get her face shared. She can be identified. Someone is missing her and there is a lack of closure for our Jane Doe. Your help by sharing this page could be the lead that we have been looking for.
Someday we hope to put a name on her grave site and gain closure to this case.







Eta: You are so welcome my friend. I’ll help you anytime you need Facebook info. What else you need? I’m terrible at Facebook. I don’t do it and never have.I only have a basic acct to access stuff. I’m still learning the navigation.

 

[Find Brenda]

Sorry to see it wasn’t match. At least they give the tips a shot.

I finally feel like Ellery Doe will get her name back at some point.

 

[Giuc0]

I don't know why my posts have been removed, but given her age, I maintain the possibility of exile because of the military dictatures in South America.

I am trying to get the list of exiled from Chili, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay to see if we can get something.
Looking at the website Memoria Viva Memoria Viva – Archivo digital de las Violaciones a los Derechos Humanos por la Dictadura Militar en Chile (1973-1990) (their new website is great for content but layout is horrible), as the AFDD (Agrupación Familiares Detenidos-Desaparecidos, wikipedia page in Spanish Agrupación de Familiares de Detenidos Desaparecidos - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre) is partner of Memoria Viva.

What complicates the ID is the important migration from South America during this era, so her links with Italy and Canada can be because of migration from fleeing a country under military dictature.

If someone speaks enough Spanish to help me scour the Paraguayan "Archivos del terror", more info in English: Archives of Terror - Wikipedia I know, Wikipedia

We have to look for exilees in Europe and Canada because it might explain why nothing was found by searching in Europe and Canada.

I have to focus my research on freed women after giving birth in clandestine jails, as they are much more likely to have fleed from the country.

Sadly, only Argentina has a DNA database for matching disappeared and families. Other countries don't have it.

Our JD from post-mortem and sketch, the manner of her killing, the remote area where she was found and the knowledge about US cooperation in Condor operation Operation Condor - Wikipedia (I know, Wikipedia. But it will help you grasp the situation without overwhelming info at once) makes me think that we must search into exiled women around our JD's age in exile from South America countries under military dictatorship.

Sadly, the women in the list of disappeared are unlikely our JD because they were killed and disposed in the country (mass grave more likely than not) or in a bordering country.

I start by scouring the list of exilees in Memoria Viva website to find out if we can get something.

Listed as detenidos-desaparecidos makes a match very unlikely for the reasons explained above.

But from the lists of exilees, we may get into something.

Also, the declassified military archives for the Argentina dictatorship are available here: Desclasificados - La inteligencia de EEUU durante la dictadura
Mostly about Argentina but other countries are included.

This morning, I start scouring on Memoria Viva and I post any possible match.

 

[Giuc0]

Out of time to edit after a complicated search to get a contact in Chili.

I got the contact and the person is on Whatsapp but with time difference, I can not contact the person right now because of time difference (it's 12:39 here in France while it's 07:40 in Chili).

The AFDD president contact has been found through social medias.

I keep it voluntary vague because since the Pandora Papers out in the medias, I have known that AFDD received death threats because Piñera is not exactly known for his reliable track record about human rights.
For clarification, Piñera is the current president in Chili Sebastián Piñera - Wikipedia
AFDD already denounced his acts way before the current Pandora Papers case, so, for their own safety and of the people they help, AFDD removed their phone number from their website and social medias.

I hope AFDD will accept to give me the list of the women in exile they are of knowledge so I can compare with our JD.

Another possibility because of her age is being an irregularily adopted from Chili, whisked out of Chili and while she has no DNA in Europe, USA or Canada, she may have had relatives there and living under a double identity
El escándalo de los niños robados de Chile: "Solo necesitaba encontrar a mi familia" but it started before the '70s
This article in Spanish explains the double identity issue: Adopciones ilegales en Chile: la lucha por condenar el robo de niños - La Tercera
Illegally adopted children still had their Chilean identity in Chili, their RUT number (attributed at birth) and their new identity as an adoptee in their new country, which muddles any administrative procedure in both country.

Same problem in Colombia, Perú.... But it'll be easier to clarify the research in Chili first.

So, our JD may not have had any biological family in Canada or Europe, but her biological family is in a country where she was adopted from.

Which opens a new line of search.

From a video published by the association of Peruvian mothers of detained-disappeared, I can see similar traits in our JD from the people in the videos published by the ANFASEP ANFASEP – Para que no se repita (Asociación Nacional de Familiares de Secuestrados, Detenidos y Desaparecido del Perú, in Spanish). I did not link the videos because the persons on the videos are not missing, but they are relatives of missing from enforced disappearance and are having problems because Perú is not willing to find the disappeared (the authorities even tried to destroy the memorial).


What is also common in illegal adoptions in Perú and Chili is that First Nations were the primary targets.

Some of them can pass as Caucasian when they are actually of First Nations.
So, let not dismiss a case when the person is classified in South America as "First Nations" while the JD is classified as Caucasian by US ME.

But first, I have to contact the AFDD to see if I can get the list and photos of exilees women, compare the datas and going back if and when I have a probative potential match.

 

[Giuc0]

No news yet from the AFDD in Chili.

Meanwhile, I want to address the data found in Northern American records "Race/ethnicity" because our JD is a typical case where it happens.

In US and Canada, "Race" is based on declaration. But in other countries like it was in SA during the apartheid (I know that our JD is not from this context, but it highlights the issue), the State authority determines the race/ethnicity on your ID. Furthermore, in France to speak about a country I know, statistics by ethnicity are absolutely forbidden: you won't find them on your ID.
Furthermore, in some European countries, you can find "Race: Mediterranean", and they can look like a First Nation person in North America.
Mediterranean can also be of Middle East like Lebanon, which is not strictly a Mediterranean country.

I bring it up because our JD may be of European descent and when we compare PM with her, we can be easily strayed by "Race/Ethnicity", so writing off a PM based on this disrespectancy.
If you have a PM where "Race/Ethnicity" is determined by the State authority and you compare with a US JD where this data is declarative, you can be sure that you'll get such disrespectancy.
When we compare PM from out of US and Canada, we can easily be fooled by this element.

I think that when we compare our JD with PM, we should completely ignore this specific data and focus on the rest (if story matches, if the post-mortem findings match... Ex, a First Nation Canadian PM with substance abuse problems, past or present, will have dental problems and signs on her organs at the autopsy. Our JD has none of it. So, even with uncanny resemblance between the post-mortem photo and the PM, the substance abuse will be a blatant rule-out).

Otherwise, we'll be swayed on this disrespectancy while this data is managed differently in the two countries.

Then, when we submit a PM, we can explain the disrespectancy (ex: the PM is of Northern African descent, so the foreign file classifies her as "Arab/Mediterranean" as COUNTRY X says while US classified her estimated race as "Caucasian").

We should focus less on this aspect and more on how the JD and PM are a good match.

I suggest first to search what makes the match impossible.
Here, an impossible match is a MP with substance abuse active or inactive as no autopsy shows any sign and her dental care is not consistant with substance abuse, transiant lifestyle as her clothing and her grooming don't match a transiant lifestyle.
Not having given birth is an inconsistency, but it is also an event she may have hidden to even her closest relatives.

 

[Giuc0]

Noting..
Mar 04, 2020
Column: Why is ‘people of color’ OK but not ‘colored people’? A reading list for white folks
''Now, in 2020, “people of color” often is used to refer to the collective group of non-white Americans. It is offensive to single blacks out as “colored.”

Definition in South Africa: coloured - definition of coloured in A Dictionary of South African English - DSAE

I repeat, I'd never had used this word if the convo with former prosecutor were of US.

Former prosecutor with whom I talked was of Johannesburg, South Africa.
And "coloured" in this specific context means "a person who is of mixed ethnicity".

If you say to a US LEO "The person is known for liking to live in the Gramadoelas", your LEO will wonder what are you talking about.
In South Africa, "living in the Gramadoelas" means living in the middle of nowhere: https://www.lexico.com/definition/gramadoelas

Now, in South Africa, "coloured" is still used in legal decisions, for example this decision from the Equality Court (Rarayi and Others v Oak Valley Estates and Others (EC13/2019) [2019] ZAEQC 7 (22 November 2019) on SAFLII): Rarayi and Others v Oak Valley Estates and Others (EC13/2019) [2019] ZAEQC 7 (22 November 2019)

That's why I say that while in the US, using "coloured" is an absolute no no, it's not exactly the case in South Africa.

A MP report in North America can contain "regular smoking pot" (for the marihuana) while a MP report in South Africa will mention "regular smoking dagga".
"Dagga" means the marihuana in South Africa, but if you read the MP report thinking that it's a US or Canada report, it can confuse anyone.

That's why for the "coloured" from my convo with ex prosecutor in SA, you could think that it had a racist meaning because in the US, "coloured" for Afro-American people is an insult.
In South Africa, "coloured" means "neither Black nor White" and is still use in legal lingo in the anti-discrimination field: Equality Court is a specialised Court dealing only about discriminations.

I tell you about the linguistic differences between US and South Africa because I have better knowledge of South African English.
My knowledge of Indian English, Malay English or Singapore English is much more limited.

However, in Singapore, you can encounter "Mdm" for Madam.
Again, if we (included Your Truly) don't pay attention to the country of the MP report, we can easily misconstruct what the MP report says. Even in both country where English is official language or working language.

I wanted to use the issue we had with the word "coloured" in South Africa when reporting a convo with a former SA prosecutor specifically using this word in a context of South Africa society and a sleuther answered about "coloured" in the US context.

I repeat myself, I would had never used "coloured" about a person of colour in the US!

I repeat, we have to pay attention about the PM file country of origin: if we have a PM file in English from Cyprus, we have to be careful about the word used in North America but with a different meaning in Cyprus.
And yes, Cyprus is in Europe and it belongs to European Union and Commonwealth, sources: Cyprus (Commonwealth)
Cyprus | European Union (European Union)

I say that our JD is the typical case where the missing person file in English can contain differences which may be confusing when reading in a Northern America context.

"Coloured" in South Africa is typical of the issue. Same word but meaning not exactly identical in another English speaking country.

 

[dotr]

Definition in South Africa: coloured - definition of coloured in A Dictionary of South African English - DSAE

I repeat, I'd never had used this word if the convo with former prosecutor were of US.

Former prosecutor with whom I talked was of Johannesburg, South Africa.
And "coloured" in this specific context means "a person who is of mixed ethnicity".

If you say to a US LEO "The person is known for liking to live in the Gramadoelas", your LEO will wonder what are you talking about.
In South Africa, "living in the Gramadoelas" means living in the middle of nowhere: GRAMADOELAS | Definition of GRAMADOELAS by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of GRAMADOELAS

Now, in South Africa, "coloured" is still used in legal decisions, for example this decision from the Equality Court (Rarayi and Others v Oak Valley Estates and Others (EC13/2019) [2019] ZAEQC 7 (22 November 2019) on SAFLII): Rarayi and Others v Oak Valley Estates and Others (EC13/2019) [2019] ZAEQC 7 (22 November 2019)

That's why I say that while in the US, using "coloured" is an absolute no no, it's not exactly the case in South Africa.

A MP report in North America can contain "regular smoking pot" (for the marihuana) while a MP report in South Africa will mention "regular smoking dagga".
"Dagga" means the marihuana in South Africa, but if you read the MP report thinking that it's a US or Canada report, it can confuse anyone.

That's why for the "coloured" from my convo with ex prosecutor in SA, you could think that it had a racist meaning because in the US, "coloured" for Afro-American people is an insult.
In South Africa, "coloured" means "neither Black nor White" and is still use in legal lingo in the anti-discrimination field: Equality Court is a specialised Court dealing only about discriminations.

I tell you about the linguistic differences between US and South Africa because I have better knowledge of South African English.
My knowledge of Indian English, Malay English or Singapore English is much more limited.

However, in Singapore, you can encounter "Mdm" for Madam.
Again, if we (included Your Truly) don't pay attention to the country of the MP report, we can easily misconstruct what the MP report says. Even in both country where English is official language or working language.

I wanted to use the issue we had with the word "coloured" in South Africa when reporting a convo with a former SA prosecutor specifically using this word in a context of South Africa society and a sleuther answered about "coloured" in the US context.

I repeat myself, I would had never used "coloured" about a person of colour in the US!

I repeat, we have to pay attention about the PM file country of origin: if we have a PM file in English from Cyprus, we have to be careful about the word used in North America but with a different meaning in Cyprus.
And yes, Cyprus is in Europe and it belongs to European Union and Commonwealth, sources: Cyprus (Commonwealth)
Cyprus | European Union (European Union)

I say that our JD is the typical case where the missing person file in English can contain differences which may be confusing when reading in a Northern America context.

"Coloured" in South Africa is typical of the issue. Same word but meaning not exactly identical in another English speaking country.

All interesting stuff, probably worthy of having its very own thread, wondering if we also have a thread for the missing Argentinians, ''the disappeared''?

Back to subject of this thread -the unidentified woman, wondering if there might be any connection to these women whose remains have been found approx. 25 miles from Ellery Doe's remains?..
fwiw, speculation, imo...
NY - NY - Chautauqua County, remains, 2 Females, dead for decades, Sept '21

 

[WNYer]

Do we know if Angela Hartmann has been ruled out officially as CCJD?