Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #1 *P. Hernandez guilty*

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DevilsPlayThing said:
Aww. I did not know that. How hurtful. Someone named Lisa Cohen posted that she wrote a book about Etan. In her post it says something about being the cousin of Etan - but she is not the cousin of Etan - she was conveying a letter from the Patz family. It was very unclear though. She has worked for news agencies and covered the case for over 20 years. I am sure the book is very good - she had access to the family. But I am unsure why she included the part I have been looking for my cousin Etan in the first person - like it was herself.
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That is strange.

This is the article I remember reading about the screenplay writer, Beth Gutcheon, and about how the Patzes found out about the book and how Julie Patz just thought it was friends having lunch, but instead she was basically being interviewed. You are right. It had to be very hurtful.

I don't understand why Shira was so adamant about her parents doing no interviews and the privacy. We have learned that the media is usually the best source to help find a missing person, so why get so upset? I understand she may have gone thru some type of anger, but come on. If I were a parent, I would give every opportunity to get my story out there and keep the face fresh in the media.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...=XkYyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=P-gFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2082,61931
 
karen7868 said:
Just came across this article. I know from the playgroup pictures I have seen, Yukie Ohta is in the photos, so it looks like Etan was a member of the playgroup. My question is, did any of these kids remember Ramos or Miller?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/etan_patz_disappearance_set_of.html

Quote from article:

Yukie Ohta, now 43, remembers police coming to her door to talk to her about the boy's disappearance. Her sister had gone to a child's play group with Etan, in the very basement police are searching. By the time he disappeared, the children's collective had moved and the space was being used by a handyman.

"I didn't really know anything helpful," Ohta said.

No one knew enough. Etan's parents, Stan and Julie, offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to the boy's whereabouts, and sightings were frequently reported, to no avail. In 1986, a child resembling Etan was spotted in Israel, which prompted detectives to circulate his photo there. Nothing came of it.
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Yukie Ohta has a profile page on the SoHo Memory Project. Talks about what it was like growing up in SoHo..No mention of Etan though. I am searching pages in Hebrew. Maybe people are talking about it on message boards in other than English.
 
These are several articles I came across that may be of some interest. A couple of them you have to pay for the full article. Apologies if they have already been posted.

I made a comment earlier that I figured I would get slammed for. I was wondering if the parents need to be looked at again. A couple of things have stood out for me and that is changing stories. At first, it was reported that Julie Patz watched Etan leave until he turned the corner out of her sight. Then I read she actually went about her busy day, that she actually didn't watch Etan until he was out of her sight. Apparently, she was busy running a daycare and Ari had a friend spend the night, so she just got busy and stated the reason she changed her story was because it must have been a subconscience thing. I have seen at least one video interviewing Stan Patz and he plainly stated that he must have been busy shaving that morning, yet in the last article I have attached, he said he and Ari were still sleeping. Which is it? Where was the friend sleeping?

I am ready for everyone to be upset with me asking these questions, but that is okay. I like coming to websleuths for other's view on things.




http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/newsday.../2+Years,+The+Nightmare+Persists&pqatl=google

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50C17FD395D12728DDDAC0A94DE405B898BF1D3

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...MAAAAIBAJ&pg=7156,1508086&dq=shira+patz&hl=en
 
DevilsPlayThing said:
Yukie Ohta has a profile page on the SoHo Memory Project. Talks about what it was like growing up in SoHo..No mention of Etan though. I am searching pages in Hebrew. Maybe people are talking about it on message boards in other than English.
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Great idea. Can you try Singapore? I think the one little girl named Zoe in the photos and when you click on her name it says zoeinsingapore.
 
Why is Etan's sister so resistant to interviews? You would think she would be up to it in case she remembers something that didn't seem important when she was younger.

Does anyone recall how long it was after Etan left the house that Shira left? Also, does anyone know if LE thoroughly searched the Patz home, especially since having the technology we have today?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/n...new-agent.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=nyregion

Agent MacDonald met some resistance from Etan’s family. Stanley K. Patz, Etan’s father, would meet with the new investigator, but Julie Patz had had enough of new investigators over the years. There were a number of meetings between Mr. Patz and Agent MacDonald before she would participate.

Etan’s sister, Shira, however, “shut down” under the agent’s direct interview style, the official familiar with the investigation said. The F.B.I. considers her potentially an important witness because they believe that if Etan ever offered any hint of inappropriate advances by Mr. Ramos or other adults in the days preceding his disappearance, Shira might know.
 
Most of my reasons for not suspecting the Patz family as being involved are based on how they acted after Etan went missing. They never moved. They never changed their phone number. The inconsistencies in the story reported may have been a result of multiple news sources trying to scoop each other in a very competitive local paper market.

As for Shira, her shutting down in interviews may be a result of survivor's guilt. Etan was alone because she dawdling. While it is not remotely her fault that Etan disappeared, I don't think anyone could really convince her of that. When the psyche can't handle things, sometimes the mind blocks things out.

JMO
 
karen7868 said:
Why is Etan's sister so resistant to interviews? You would think she would be up to it in case she remembers something that didn't seem important when she was younger.

Does anyone recall how long it was after Etan left the house that Shira left? Also, does anyone know if LE thoroughly searched the Patz home, especially since having the technology we have today?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/n...new-agent.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=nyregion

Agent MacDonald met some resistance from Etan’s family. Stanley K. Patz, Etan’s father, would meet with the new investigator, but Julie Patz had had enough of new investigators over the years. There were a number of meetings between Mr. Patz and Agent MacDonald before she would participate.

Etan’s sister, Shira, however, “shut down” under the agent’s direct interview style, the official familiar with the investigation said. The F.B.I. considers her potentially an important witness because they believe that if Etan ever offered any hint of inappropriate advances by Mr. Ramos or other adults in the days preceding his disappearance, Shira might know.
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well maybe it is really hard for you to understand, sisters and brothers from missing children have a difficult life,my daughter never wanted to talk to police or to anyone about my missing son Dirk Schiller. I also know the sister of a missing/abducted girl has commited suicide and a brother of other abducted boy became a serial murder, so try to understand so hard destiny for siblings as well, sorry for my english, Heidi Stein
 
Its also common for parents of missing/murdered children to give inconsistent accounts leading up to the disappearance/murder of the child. I don't know why, maybe Dirk Schiller or one of the other posters here who have been through such a tragic experience can give some insight into the psychology of it.

I just know I've read that somewhere, I think in one of former FBI profiler John Douglas' books.
 
Cool website I found about tv shows/movies made in SoHo.

I am just a girl in TN that has just heard of SoHo on TV and in movies and have always wanted to visit NYC. I often associate NYC to "loft" apartments and have always been fascinated with them.

I read somewhere the Patzes paid like $7,500 for their loft apartment and would now be worth like $7.5M. Wow. I have learned a lot about the area due to this case.

http://www.nysonglines.com/prince.htm

http://www.screentours.com/SoHo-new-york-city

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On this guided tour of locations you will pass right by the Puck Building, a fixture on the SoHo landscape. This was the location for Grace Adler’s design studio in the hugely popular series Will and Grace. For all Sex and the City fans, Charlotte’s art gallery was located on Prince Street, as is SoHo House, where Samantha tried to impersonate Anabelle Bronstein to gain access to the rooftop pool.

You may also recognize the neighborhood from the hit love story, Ghost, starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. Sam and Molly’s apartment is located at 104 Prince Street.
 
The latest chapter in the 33-year search for Etan Patz -- the digging up of a basement in NYC's SoHo District -- has ended with no human remains, no "aha" moment, and only a few reeds of possible evidence in the hundreds of pounds of debris now packed into dumpsters.

The bits of material -- some human hair, but not blonde hair like that of the young boy who vanished on his way to school, and a possible blood-stained bit of cinder block -- are being sent to the FBI forensic lab in Quantico, Va.

And today, according to authorities, will be a day for winding down the operation on Prince Street.
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more here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/etan-patz-search-ending-evidence-year-boy/story?id=16192599#.T5VWgqv2ZdA

Looks like Reuters had it right last night.
 
I read in a CNN article last night that the tent was pulled down abruptly and two NYPD officers or FBI agents put something into the side of a blue NYPD van. Was it ever said what that was? Could LE be being hedgy with info to avoid a media circus or to gain an investigative advantage with a POI?
 
NY Post breaking news: Soho search for Etan Patz ends with no remains, blood found in neighborhood basement.

No article yet, just the headline.
 
epiphany said:
Prior to OM's attorney's appearance:

Miller, in one of his previous chats with federal agents, was brought back down to the space. At one point, he set off law enforcement bells by asking if any traces would remain if a body was moved from the basement, sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ller-33-years-article-1.1065531#ixzz1soTT3zSc
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See, I feel like that's something any average Joe would ask after so much time. Most people don't understand how cadaver dogs work, so I can see asking questions about how they are used, and how far their talents reach.
 
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The retired cold-case cop [who worked the case in the 1990s] said the search for Etan had led probers to several locations — first to a home in Vermont where pedophiles lived and then to a private house in Westchester County where, a jailhouse snitch told cops, the child was murdered.

The snitch then told cops that the child was buried on a large tract of private land upstate.

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New York cops grilled the informant for hours, the detective recalled. By the time cops found the house more then a decade after Patz had disappeared, it had changed owners. No charges were ever filed. “We didn’t have enough probable cause, and we didn’t have corroboration of [all the snitch’s] statements,” he said.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...nds_with_USAQejhtymdMEvRDQr1DyJ#ixzz1ssS9ZAX7
 
Detective Joseph Cavitola, spokesman for the New York Police Department, also said the search was ending. An FBI evidence team, along with police, planned to do another check to be sure nothing was missed.

A field test on what was considered a possible bloodstain found in the basement was negative, the source said. The stain, some possible strands of hair, and a piece of paper will be analyzed at an FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, the source said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/23/justice/new-york-patz-probe/index.html
 
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