NY - Eutisha Rennix, 25, & fetus die as EMT dispatchers refuse to help, 9 Dec 2009

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  1. BlOnDe_GuRrL

    BlOnDe_GuRrL New Member

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    http://gothamist.com/2009/12/22/emts_accused_of_ignoring_dying_woma.php


    How messed up is THAT???
    meaning the law... them not being allowed to assist.
     
  2. southcitymom

    southcitymom New Member

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    This seems very misleading to me.

    These two weren't active EMTs - they were dispatchers who had not had contact with a patient in years. Based on the little bit the article states, it really does sound like they did their best. They wanted 911 called because they knew they weren't going to be much help.

    I have no idea what the law states. Anyone can try to save anyone else, it would seem.
     
  3. momtective

    momtective Lifetime WS Non-Mod

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    If they were trained as EMT's I believe they had a legal responsibility to assist this woman, even if they only called 911, secured the scene and administered CPR. As human beings they were morally responsible to at least do that.
     
  4. angela

    angela New Member

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    I totally agree. I heard this on the news this morning and it was presented as if these two were active EMT's on duty that just sat by and ignored this woman. It is a sad story but I am not sure these two deserve the bashing they are getting from the media.
     
  5. southcitymom

    southcitymom New Member

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    You'd think there's enough "sensational" stuff going on without the media twisting this around.
     
  6. butwhatif?

    butwhatif? New Member

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    I have witnessed a similar situation. An old man had just walked out of his doctors office and suffered a heart attack. On-lookers went into the office to beg the doctor to treat the man. But he told us to call 000 (our 911), and stood by, eating his lunch watching this man die.
    I know in this day and age they have a major fear of legal action if anything goes wrong, but if a member of the public can perform CPR until emergency services arrive, then why can't trained professionals? (no matter how long it's been since they were trained or had contact with patients).

    What happened to first do no harm? They didnt even call 911?
    My heart goes out to this family. :prayer:
    JMO
     
  7. southcitymom

    southcitymom New Member

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    I too am interested in the law on this. These two did say "call 911."

    But the article makes it sound like this women was dying at everyone's feet while no one did a thing. I'm hard-pressed to believe someone wasn't with her - trying to help her - holding her hand or something while someone else called 911.
     
  8. panthera

    panthera Retired WS Staff

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    OK, I'm totally confused. If the protocol is to first call 911, then why were they suspended without pay for telling the employees there to do just that and not attempting to treat the victim themselves? :waitasec: MOO
     
  9. zadari

    zadari New Member

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    if they were on duty and someone called 911 then they can respond ? wtf?
     
  10. Muffet

    Muffet Autocorrect is my worst enema

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    It looks like the female paramedic/dispatcher (Melissa Jackson) did call 911, so that works in her favor, although her weak analysis and reporting of the actual problem doesn't.

    From the article:
    I would have examined her more carefully, and I think they will feel civil/legal repercussions from not having done so.

    The problem is that good Samaritan laws only protect lay people - not medical personnel on duty. In that way, the death of this poor woman is the fault of ambulance chasers and our own litigiousness.

    ETA: Good Samaritan laws:
    http://definitions.uslegal.com/g/good-samaritans/
    in addition to not having the proper equipment, I expect these dispatchers were, rightly or wrongly, afraid they wouldn't be covered.

    My wonder is why they didn't at least do a better evaluation and relay it to the 911 dispatcher. If it turns out that those minutes to get the proper equipment were the difference between life and death, they're cooked.
     
  11. mysteriew

    mysteriew A diamond in process

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    It is true that the Good Samaritan laws would be an issue here. The Good Samaritan law basically says that if a bystander sees someone in an emergency situation and trys to help but is unsuccessful, they cannot be held liable, even if they did it wrong as long as it wasn't wanton or malicous. But the dispatchers are in a grey area. They have been trained and are paid in the position. They were probably in uniform. But they were off duty. So they are in a grey area. If they examined her and didn't attempt CPR, they could be held liable, if they attempted CPR and some attorney wanted to make the point that they did it wrong or made some error, they could be held liable.

    Still most EMS persons that I know will act when they see an emergency, and figure they will sort the rest out later. Of course a lot of them are volunteer anyway and are working in their own communities. And you don't need equipment or an ambulance to do a cursory evaluation, begin CPR or do a Heimlich manuver.
     
  12. mysterygirl

    mysterygirl A Nancy Drew Wannabe

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    Hmm......this story lacks details and is somewhat inconsistent.

    There is a difference between EMT's and paramedics in skill level. Add to that, the huge disparity from them being actual medics of either type or dispatchers who have never cared for patients in a hands on manner.

    With no equipment, one of the few things they could do would be CPR. If she was seizing a big portion of that time you are even more helpless.

    While they may not have broken any laws.....it sounds like their actions and attitudes may have been seen as callous and uncaring. And for that....the court of public opinion needs no laws.
     
  13. jnTexas

    jnTexas Can't wait for softball and baseball to start :-)

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    Hmmm...What did she die of?
     
  14. Bobbisangel

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    Wasn't it said that they didn't even go back where the lady was? I can't imagine, as a person, knowing that a pregnant woman was back there having trouble and not going back there and trying to help. These two had some knowledge that might have helped keep the woman alive until help came. Really a sad situation.
     
  15. Sheromom

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    I work in a large retail store where accidents are fairly frequent. We often are fortunate enough to have an EMT in the store when they happen and they are ALWAYS quick to respond and always so loving and helpful. Not ever once did one of them eat while someone had a seizure. JMO.........and I hope one never does. But.........there is only so much one can do for someone having a seizure. Not sure how correct the story on this one is.​
     
  16. lizzybeth

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    As a human being, if I had any training at all, I would try to help whether I thought I could be sued or not. I'd really like to hear all of this story.
     
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    tehcloser New Member

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    PMLsmom Active Member

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    Well, right or wrong on the charges against the two, the moral thing to do was to help the woman & child...
     
  19. angelwngs

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/19/emt-accused-ignoring-dying-nyc-woman-killed/

    On Dec. 9, 2009, at an Au Bon Pain coffee shop in Brooklyn,
    Jason Green and Melisa Jackson were on a break while working as dispatchers that morning when it was alleged employees in the shop told them a pregnant cashier, Eutisha Rennix, was having a seizure. Witnesses claimed the pair left without doing anything to help.
    The 25-year-old woman, who was six months pregnant, later died at a hospital. Her baby was delivered but died two days later.

    He regained the spotlight Monday because of his violent death. He was gunned down on the streets of Manhattan after a fight outside a nightclub. Following an apparent argument at the door of a nighclub where a friend of Green was not allowed to enter the nightclub due to wearing shorts rather than long pants, Green and several friends went to stand in a parking place near the nightclub to discuss the matter further when a car attempted to park in the parking spot where Green and his friends were standing talking. An argument ensued and a man in the car apparently shot Green in the face and killed him. More at link above...
     
  20. Astrella613

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    Wow, that's really something. I think it was horrible that they didn't try to help that girl. Maybe they couldn't have but at least give it a try. On a break, that seems to be the mentality these days, everyone is on a break.
     

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