NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, July 2020 #2

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  1. otto

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    Other famous people have been accused, but Alan Dershowitz invoked the 2009 Epstein Settlement Agreement to put an end to lawsuits from Giuffre. Dershowitz was an associate of Epstein. Prince Andrew is presumably not, but who knows ... perhaps they had some business dealings at the time?

    The 2009 Settlement Agreement was requested by Prince Andrew's lawyers, and it was provided. It is believed that the document does not apply to Prince Andrew in the same way that it applied to Alan Deshowitz.

    " ... Alan Dershowitz as he battled accusations from Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims Epstein sent her to Dershowitz and other powerful men to be sexually abused. (Dershowitz, who adamantly denies these accusations, is currently embroiled in a defamation suit with Giuffre.)"
    Alan Dershowitz Has Close Ties to Firm Behind Explosive New Epstein Lawsuit

    "In 2009, Giuffre and Epstein reached a confidential settlement in a lawsuit she filed against him, which has been sealed ever since. Last month, according to documents on file in federal court, Giuffre dropped her claim of sexual battery she made in a separate lawsuit against lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who formerly represented Epstein, after Dershowitz invoked this part of the 2009 settlement agreement. "
    Prince Andrew lawsuit: Judge won't OK release of secret settlement
     
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  2. otto

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    There is a Wikipedia page for Virginia Giuffre. Her early life is described with links. At age 13, she was abused by a sex trafficker in Miami. Age 14, she lived with her father, who helped her to get a job at one of Trump's properties. Age 17, she was lured by Epstein.

    "She lived on the streets at age 13 before getting abused by a 65-year-old sex trafficker, Ron Eppinger, in Miami."
    Brown, Julie K. (November 28, 2018). "Even from jail, sex abuser manipulated the system. His victims were kept in the dark". Miami Herald. Retrieved February 7, 2020.

    "At the age of 14, Giuffre reunited with her father and returned to live with him. Her father worked as a maintenance manager at the Mar-a-Lago property owned by Donald Trump, and also helped Giuffre obtain a job there."
    Virginia Giuffre - Wikipedia

    Giuffre met Epstein in 2000 - 2001, age 17, same time she met Prince Andrew.

    "In the memoir, Giuffre said she was just 15 when Maxwell spotted her working at President Donald Trump's Mar-A-Lago resort (page 22). (In a 2016 deposition, Giuffre said she misremembered and was actually 17.) "​

    These are the most significant allegations in Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre's unsealed memoir
     
  3. otto

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    I understand that the photo of Giuffre and Andrew is taken in March 2001 at Maxwell's home in London. A woman has come forward to report that she saw Giuffre and Andrew at a dance club on the evening that Giuffre said she met Andrew.

    There is proof that Epstein and Andrew were friends until at least 2011, including photos of Andrew in New York.

    Are there any photos, or travel records, of Prince Andrew at Little St. James Island in the Virgin Islands at any time?
     
  4. otto

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    I'm curious whether Giuffre is protected from lawsuit. Didn't Epstein make some sort of Statement Agreement, where anyone who acted on his behalf, like Alan Dershowitz (2009) acting as his lawyer, is protected from lawsuit?

    Giuffre is a child victim of predator Epstein, but she also "reluctantly recruited." She should not be subject to lawsuits related to acting on Epstein's behalf. Children that Giuffre recruited, under orders of Epstein, would be compensated through Epstein's estate.

    "Eventually, she said Maxwell trained her to recruit new girls for Epstein.

    “Jeffrey was very particular in the kind of girls he wanted. First off, the younger the better.”

    Epstein said that to her, Giuffre claimed, and “Maxwell said that too. During the training and telling me how to do it, she said ‘You always have to go for the youngest-looking ones.’”

    Giuffre said she reluctantly brought other girls to Epstein.​

    Epstein Victim: Ghislaine Maxwell Made Me Recruit ‘Youngest-Looking’ Girls for Epstein
     
  5. otto

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    Didn't Maxwell keep the books?

    Can't this be settled by looking at the books, at who was on what flights, who was talking to whom via email and cell phone?

    Who kept the books? Where is that information? Has it been entered as evidence? Epstein ran a business, there must be a money trail.
     
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    The 2009 Statement Agreement with Dershowitz - isn't that based on Epstein's original 13 month conviction, where his associates, like Dershowitz, are exonerated from further prosecution?

    I'm curious about when the Epstein Statement Agreement will be made public, and who is benefitting from that agreement.

    Alan Dershowitz Has Close Ties to Firm Behind Explosive New Epstein Lawsuit
     
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    escape2sc Lowcountry of South Carolina

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    [QUOTE="otto, post: 17158152, member: 2182 "I understand that the photo of Giuffre and Andrew is taken in March 2001 at Maxwell's home in London. A woman has come forward to report that she saw Giuffre and Andrew at a dance club on the evening that Giuffre said she met Andrew.

    There is proof that Epstein and Andrew were friends until at least 2011, including photos of Andrew in New York.

    Are there any photos, or travel records, of Prince Andrew at Little St. James Island in the Virgin Islands at any time
    ? "[/QUOTE]

    BBM

    I made these notes for myself regarding the flight records in comparison to the Court Circular (official record of the Royal's public engagements.)

    Dates from Flight Log and Pilot's deposition for when Prince Andrew flew with Epstein compared to the Court Circular for Royal engagements
    1999
    Flight 1203 Feb 9th New Jersey to St Thomas
    Passengers: Epstein, Maxwell, ET, AP, Prince Andrew, Steve Burgess
    Flight 1204 Feb 12th St. Thomas to Palm Beach
    Epstein, Maxwell, ET, Prince Andrew, Steve Burgess, Gwendoline Beck, Claire Hazel, Anna
    Court Circular does not show events for Prince Andrew for this time frame
    2000
    FLIGHT 1338 May 12 New Jersey to Palm Beach
    JE, GM, ET, AP, Prince Andrew, Bodyguard, Alexa (?) , 1 male
    Court Circular- Prince Andrew was in the UK on UK the 10th and in US 11th returned to UK on the 15th
    **next flight shows Epstein visiting Andrew at Sandringham:
    FLIGHT 1429 Dec 7 Luton to Marham AFB UK
    JE, GM, Kelly Spamm, Tom Pritzker, 1 female
    then pilot repositions aircraft to EGSH Sandringham (Norwich England)
    FLIGHT 1431 DEC 9 JE & company leave Sandringham for Palm Beach
    2001
    *FLIGHT 1490 April 11th New Jersey to St. Thomas
    Deposition - JE, GM, Prince Andrew, Banu, VR, Johanna
    Flight log – JE, GM, AP, BK, VR, Johanna
    Court Circular- Prince Andrew in US
    *FLIGHT 1524
    July 4th 2001 St Thomas to Palm Beach
    Deposition - JE, Prince Andrew, VR and 1 female
    Flight log – JE, AP, VR, 1 female
    *FLIGHT 1525 July 8th Palm beach to New Jersey
    Deposition - JE, Gm, Emmy Taylor, Prince Andrew, VR, Sheridan Gibson, 1 female
    Flight log – JE, GM, ET,AP, VR, Sheridan
    Court Circular – Prince Andrew had events in the UK on the UK date of July 4th then no events until July 11th
    *Flight 2 August 7.2001 New York to New Mexico
    Deposition - JE, GM, Emmy Taylor, Prince Andrew, 2 females
    Flight log – JE, GM, ET, AP, 2 females
    Court Circular- no events listed
    *FLIGHT 49 January 17, 2002 New York to St Thomas
    Deposition - JE, GM, Sarah Kellen, Prince Andrew, Cindy Lopez, Johanna and 1 female
    Flight Log – JE, GM, SK, AP, Cindy Lopez, Joanne, 1 female
    Court Circular- no events listed
    *FLIGHT 57 Feb 9th 2002 Miami to New York
    Deposition - JE, GM, Sarah Kellen, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton 4 SS
    Flight Log – Bill Clinton, 4 Secret Service, 2 males, 1 female, JE, GM, SK, AP
    Court Circular in South Africa Feb 4th - 9th London event the 11th
    (this is the only flight mentioned in the deposition where Court Circular has Andrew in a different location. In the deposition, both attorneys (Virginia's and Maxwell's) were present and referencing a flight log. There were no objections on the accuracy of the flight log information)
    2006
    FLIGHT 1908 Sept 1 Luton to Edinburgh
    GM, Prince Andrew, Katie Braeng, Cransnasky
    The following is a quick search of times when Andrew was noted on the Court Circular to be in the US as Trade Envoy and the locations of Epstein's plane during the time frame.
    Caption under a Getty Image of Andrew Feb 2008: Organized a private jet for a trip to the US at a reported cost of £100,000. The Duke is seen here at the opening of the Fresh 'N' Easy store in LA in 2008.
    Another caption for Getty Image of Andrew February 2008
    Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, kicks off a trip to California by attending
    the grand opening of a Fresh & Easy Neighborhood Market store in a
    predominantly African-American neighborhood on February 7, 2008 in
    Compton, California. The prince is visiting the region in his capacity as
    the United Kingdom's Special Representative for Trade and Investment.
    Later, the prince will attend a dinner meeting of the British-American
    Business Council, Los Angeles. David McNew/Getty Image
    From a site "the Royal Forum" in February 2008 a poster posted the following when asked what his US schedule was...
    “It was posted on his website The Duke of York > Home , however, it has been removed since the tabloids questioned his use of a private jet. This is the section that disappeared.."
    February 2008
    Visit to the USA (Miami, Lakes Charles, Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Atlanta and New York)
    6th Morning - Visit to the University of Miami Leonard M. Miller School of Medicine.
    Afternoon - Visit to Trunkline LNG, Lake Charles.
    7th Morning - Visit to the Tesco Fresh and Easy Store, Compton, Los Angeles.
    Afternoon - Lunch hosted by HM Consul General; visit to Broadcom, Orange County.
    Evening - Keynote speech, Los Angeles.
    8th Morning - Visit to BT Americas (El Segundo).
    Afternoon - Visit to Capital Group; visit to Avery Dennison Inc (Pasadena).
    Evening - Dinner hosted by HM Consul General.
    9th Afternoon - Lunch hosted by HM Consul General with financial service industry experts.
    11th Morning - Visit to Allergan, Orange County. The Duke of York makes a keynote speech.
    Afternoon - Visit to Science Applications International Corporation - SAIC (San Diego); visit to Sempra Energy.
    12th Morning - Visit to Resolution Copper Mine (Rio Tinto).
    Afternoon - Visit to Honeywell Aerospace; visit to GoDaddy.com.
    Evening - Reception hosted Governor of Arizona and Mayor of Phoenix; dinner for leading CEOs in Arizona.
    13th Afternoon - Visit to CNN Centre; visit to the Coca-Cola Company.
    14th Afternoon - Meeting with the Consul General; meeting with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey at the World Trade Centre site; visit to the Bank of New York Mellon.
    15th Morning - Meeting with the Sarnoff Corporation; meeting with President and Chief Financial Officer, NBYT.
    Afternoon - Meeting with Raytheon.
    Evening - Design Reception to celebrate the best of UK/US creative industries.”
    Court Circular has the events listed above . Court Circular's last entry for PA prior to the February events is announcing him returning to the UK from a business trip to Switzerland on January 25th . CC does not have an entry for PA leaving the UK for the US - he took a private plane according to info above. PA is unaccounted for until he appears at the University of Miami the morning of Feb. 6th.


    Epstein’s Plane location
    Epstein is at St Thomas from Mid January till Feb 5th when he goes to New Jersey. On Feb 8th Epstein heads to Sante Fe. PA does not have any events in Cali from evening Feb 9th till morning Feb 11th. Epstein leaves Sante Fe on the 12th for Miami then heads to New Jersey airport on the 13th. PA arrives in NY evening of 13th leaves for UK evening of 15th. (he had engagements listed above) Epstein leaves NY for St Thomas on 15th.
    To be fair and as accurate as possible ..I have some flights with an * in front of the word flight ( *Flight). The flight logs for those flights do not have Andrew’s name spelled out like on the other flights in the flight logs. During the pilots deposition with Virginia and Maxwell’s attorneys referencing a flight log,the pilot named Andrew as being on those flights No objections were made to the accuracy of the flight logs during the deposition. I would imagine the accuracy of the flight logs would be an important issue for Maxwell’s attorney but am not sure if this would have been something objected to in a deposition or saved for a court hearing if the defamation case would have moved forward.
    AP on the flight logs...AP appeared several times, once with the notation as chef. Adam Perry Lang is in Epstein’s black book listed as chef. Adam Perry Lang is a chef with his own restaurants and several books published. According to an interview of Adam Perry Lang, he stated he was a private chef in 2001 - 2002 (2003 ?) but did not name the individual. He also mentioned being a chef on a ranch in New Mexico. There were some flights where Adam’s name was spelled out on the departing flight and the initial AP on the return flight. On a few of the flights the pilot stated Prince Andrew was on there is only the initial AP listed on the flight log. Again I would assume the accuracy of the flight logs would be an important issue for Maxwell’s attorney but again neither attorney objected to the accuracy of the flight log used during the pilot’s deposition.

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315/epstein-flight-manifests.pdf
    Court Circular
     
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  8. Chelly

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    Thank you @escape2sc . THAT ^^^^^ is a good deal of information, and an amazing amount of transcription on your part. After paging through the flight log and reading your notes, I'm left yearning to hear the pilot's testimony at trial.
     
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    These flight records are only from 1 of Epstein's pilots...it was reported he had 4 or 5 pilots
     
  10. Dotta

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    Im curious what happened to JE's island? Who lives there now?
     
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    dmb - double post
     
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    Source?
    Having only one entrance seems unlikely given the fire hazard.
     
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    Tramps Night Club only allows entry to people over 18yo so Virginia must have lied about her age???
     
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    My guess is they don't question guests of the prince... they walk right in..
     
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    and yet....there are no photos by the media..showing her as walking in or out
     
  19. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    In reply to the logic,
    • If there's a photo of her walking in or out with the prince, then she must have been there
    • There is no photo of her walking in or out with the prince, therefore she wasn't there
    See Denying the Antecedent
    Denying_the_Antecedent.jpg
     
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