NY - Jin Chen, 39, Hai Yan Li, 38, & their two sons, Guilderland, 8 Oct 2014

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  1. dotr

    dotr Active Member

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    http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/20...fter-brutal-murder-of-family-of-4-in-ny-state

    "GUILDERLAND, N.Y. -- A couple originally from China and their two elementary school-age boys were found fatally stabbed and bludgeoned in their modest suburban home just over a year ago.

    Investigators since then have run into language barriers, cultural differences and the logistical challenge of a quadruple murder case with tendrils running through Manhattan's Chinatown and possibly beyond. They've looked at an eerily similar family slaying in Mississippi and have reached out across the nation and the globe.

    The investigation remains wide open.

    "There's nothing that we're not looking at," New York state police Senior Investigator John Camp said recently. "We're trying to see: Is it human trafficking? Is it money laundering? Is it gang related? We're basically leaving no leaf unturned."

    Police were called to the small home on a busy commercial road on Oct. 8, 2014. Inside were the bodies of Jin Chen, 39, his wife, Hai Yan Li, 38, and their sons: 10-year-old Anthony and seven-year-old Eddy. Police later said the victims were stabbed and attacked with a hammer."
    rbbm.
     
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    [video=youtube;CqhMgsrrNYk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqhMgsrrNYk[/video]
     
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    "Investigators seeking insights have reached out to police in cities with large Asian populations, including Chicago, Los Angeles and Montreal. They have worked with New York City police and the FBI. They have made indirect contact with law enforcement in China, mostly through the State Department, Camp said.

    And they have talked to police in D'Iberville, Mississippi, north of Biloxi, where there was a separate, unsolved murder of a Chinese family. The 2011 Mississippi case involves the fatal stabbing of a couple who owned a Chinese restaurant and the wife's sister.

    While there are similarities, police have not found a connection between the New York and Mississippi murders."

    http://www.timesunion.com/news/crim...-year-after-murder-of-family-near-6614365.php
     
  5. dotr

    dotr Active Member

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    Why kill the kids and wife too and why so brutally when a gun or other method could have accomplished the wicked deed with greater ease ?
    imo.
    2014.

    "Chen handled large amounts of black-market cash as part of the off-the-books economy that moves undocumented Chinese restaurant workers around the region, according to the newspaper.

    Investigators believe Chen ran a weekly card game and reportedly had $100,000 in gambling debts, but all of the people he owed money to have alibis for when the family was stabbed, law-enforcement sources told the Post.

    The principal at the school attended by the two slain boys — ages 7 and 10 — said they were well-liked by teachers and classmates, and were both members of the school gardening club."

    http://nypost.com/2014/10/14/nypd-joins-upstate-cops-to-help-solve-family-slay-case/
     
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    Not related to these case, just happened to come across this link for a new Chinese crime show, maybe it could help bring attention and interest to this case, and others where English is not the first language spoken at home imo.

    http://www.680news.com/2015/11/06/o...ama-blood-and-water-targets-chinese-audience/

    " OMNI’s new Vancouver-set crime series “Blood and Water” hopes to shatter expectations on several fronts: each episode is only half-an-hour long; its script is a mix of English, Mandarin and Cantonese; and it revolves around a rookie female detective coping with racial and generational hurdles, family issues, as well as a cancer diagnosis.

    “There’s a lot about this show that isn’t conventional and yet at the same point in time it’s not non-linear or inaccessible,” says executive producer Diane Boehme.

    “Inevitably people are going to hate or love what you do but I think it’s been very, very gutsy.”

    Steph Song stars as ambitious detective Jo Bradley, who lands a huge case when the son of a wealthy, prominent Chinese family is found dead. Her scenes are largely in English."
     
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    Collete, that was the first thing that came to my mind too.
     
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    This is the Chinese connection to the Sun family murdered in Texas.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1568634/keeping-it-family
     
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    How awful and strange! The two Sun boys are also similar in ages to the boys in this case, although the Sun family were apparently shot execution style.imo.
     
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    Yes I remembered following that case. I wonder if LE even knows about this murder in TX.
     
  13. SophieRose

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    A Chinese family, all adults, were murdered (blunt force by hammer) in San Francisco back in 2012. A man was arrested a few days later. At the prelim just this past March, it was said the suspect murdered the family to steal money from their house to pay back a gambling debt.

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-sent-to-trial-in-San-Francisco-quintuple-6139773.php
     
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    No matter who did what to who in any of these cases.....the kids did not deserve to die. :(

    So sad.
     
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    Again i question why, if indeed it was a " professional" hit, did the little kids have to be killed too and so brutally?! imo.
    Could it be to terrorize others into silence?

    "A year after the slaying, in February 2015, the Harris County sheriff held a press conference, similar to the one in Guilderland this week, to reach out to the public in hopes of jogging loose new clues.

    In that conference, the sheriff, Adrian Garcia, spoke directly to the killer or killers. “I hope every time you blink, that you see the images of these two children,” Garcia said at the time. “I want you to remember that you killed two children.”

    At Tuesday’s press conference in Guilderland, Coburn said the murder scene at the bungalow on Guilderland’s Western Avenue “looked like nothing I’d ever seen before.” Asked to elaborate, he said, “Just the fact that it was an entire family, with children.”

    In D’Iberville, Mississippi, three adult members of a Chinese family were killed on October 5, 2011 — husband and wife, Rong Chen, 40, and Mei Rong Li, also 40, and the wife’s sister, Mei Jin Li, 53. The husband and wife were the owners of a local restaurant called Chinese Happiness, according to D’Iberville’s Captain of Operations Terry Hines.

    He told The Enterprise that he and an FBI agent are still at work on the case. Hines spoke about the case frankly and wrote in a follow-up email, “If you have any other questions please ask. You never know where new information could come from to break a case wide open.”

    The bodies in D’Iberville were discovered by a 10-year-old family member, Hines said. The victims in that case had been stabbed.

    “We have always believed that it was a professional hit, but at this time I have no way of proving the theory,” said Hines.

    Investigators on his case think that it “stretches all the way up to New York,” said Hines. They believe, he said, that “the people who did this” came to Mississippi from New York City. “But we just haven’t been able to prove that yet.”


    http://altamontenterprise.com/10092...mily-murdered-no-suspects-here-or-elsewhere-0
     
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    The Sun family members were found in beds too. The Texas sheriff also said something similar during the last presser as Garcia - about seeing the children every time they blink.
     
  18. e-sherlockholmes

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    Hmm. Homicides like this are starting to show a blip on the crime statistics radar.

    If like all similar homicides before this, involving Chinese nationals (immigrants or permanent residents) being brutally murdered on North American soil, then the profile will show that it is possibly committed by another Chinese national(s), also likely an immigrant or permanent resident. Often times the perpetrator will be a family, friend, or an acquaintance from the victim's social circle. Oddly, there has been lots of such homicides in the past few years for some reason.

    Just something to be cognizant of. It will not surprise me if this was the case also. Should probably narrow the list of suspects based off this profile.
     

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