NY NY - Leslie, 29, Julie, 6, & Timothy Guthrie, 3, drove away from home, Katonah, 6 Feb 1977

Discussion in '1970's Missing' started by SheWhoMustNotBeNamed, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,600
    Likes Received:
    7,561
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, this is the only site I post on for this sort of thing. Maybe it was a coincidence? Or are they the same photos? I took screenshots from Google Earth.
     
    VaYank5150 likes this.


  2. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,600
    Likes Received:
    7,561
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I just checked the photos from the other link.
    Those photos were posted in 2017, so they are not the same as mine.
    It's a coincidence I saw the same thing in the water as the other person did, as it appears they used Google Earth, too.
    From what I gather reading all this is the anomaly was checked out, but it sounds like they saw nothing at all, not whatever it is in the water, which mystifies me. There is clearly something in the water.
     
    LucyOso likes this.
  3. VaYank5150

    VaYank5150 Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    18
    The screenshots are almost identical and when I spoke to Detective Haynes, we discussed the I-684 exit where the pond is located. I cannot explain the coincidence.
     
    shanda3434 likes this.
  4. DD Byrd

    DD Byrd Active Member

    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    22 is a possibilty for a water crash, as well as a likely route for her travels at the time since a lot of folks took to the older "smaller roads," but the depth is not that deep off the road directly for a breakthrough with a complete (unnoticed) sinking. She'd had have to have gone off the road and then skidded some distance out; possible, but even in the early 70s, just sapling trees would've stopped a car in most distances from the road before entering the water unless in a scant few places.

    There are a couple of 'ponds' I can think of, not sure if they existed then. 684 would've been possible as well. In looking at the screenshots, we'd need to correlate their size to the existing surrounded land mass. Certainly, if a car moved with currents and was caught up with boulders it could create a significant anamoly.
     
    VaYank5150, stygianowl and shanda3434 like this.
  5. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Messages:
    15,655
    Likes Received:
    120,955
    Trophy Points:
    113
  6. ctaylor

    ctaylor Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    379
    Likes Received:
    381
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ignore, sorry
     
    mikkismom likes this.
  7. Jmoose

    Jmoose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,478
    Likes Received:
    37,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So today I read an article in a local publication about a car being found in the Muscoot reservoir, matching the description of one that went missing along with whoever was in the car several decades ago-this must be the Guthries
     
    musicaljoke likes this.
  8. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,600
    Likes Received:
    7,561
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Was it this article, or a similar one? Dated 01/20/2021
    Human Remains Found In Car Pulled from Muscoot Reservoir
    If so, I'm not sure it's the Guthries. From the article:
     
    LucyOso likes this.
  9. Jmoose

    Jmoose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,478
    Likes Received:
    37,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That wasn’t the article, but looks like it’s the same story...who knew there were so many missing people in the area?
     
  10. stargazer17

    stargazer17 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    701
    Trophy Points:
    93
    They are the first ones I thought of also. Is the car a match?
     
  11. Jmoose

    Jmoose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,478
    Likes Received:
    37,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don’t know what the description of the car is-it’s looking like it may be a totally different missing person, now
     
  12. stygianowl

    stygianowl Active Member

    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    217
    Trophy Points:
    33
    The car looks to be an 80's era Ford station wagon, so not a match to the Guthries' car. More discussion about this on this thread:
    NY - NY - Brenda Kerber, 40, White Plains, Oct 8, 1989
     
  13. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    39,216
    Likes Received:
    83,180
    Trophy Points:
    113
  14. Molly's Mom

    Molly's Mom Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    319
    Trophy Points:
    53
    I watched a short episode of Criminally Listed that featured the Guthries. The narrator stated that the winter weather at the time the family went missing was so frigid they believe any lakes would have frozen solid enough for a car to drive over.

    There was also mention about a hermit in Arizona who had multiple wives and one resembled Leslie. Does anyone have further information on this?
     
    shanda3434 and VaYank5150 like this.
  15. VaYank5150

    VaYank5150 Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Molly's Mom, Bagpus, Jmoose and 2 others like this.
  16. DD Byrd

    DD Byrd Active Member

    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    43
    I skated on ponds in the area, one could go from a solid area to a potentially dangerous one in just several feet. A car would certainly break through no problem, and not only wouldn't it take long, but other drivers inching along looking just a foot beyond their hood wouldn't notice. But was it even treacherous weather that day?

    In regards to the area between Nanny Hagen and 22, (right lane of King Street along the water), in the 70s there would have been several spots to either crash (and probably found) or skid way out, then sink. There is a guard rail there now, doubtful at that time, but if there was it was less resistant. However, she'd still need a reason to come this way so indirectly from the Katonah address, was she uncomfortable with 684?

    Main question is her route from Katonah...684 would have been more likely to be plowed than the 'side road' route. But I'm also seeing mention of another stop at IBM. If Armonk HQ, she probably would've come down 684 again thereby missing dangerous sideroads.
     
    LucyOso and VaYank5150 like this.
  17. VaYank5150

    VaYank5150 Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    18
    This is great intel. I have read in my research that Leslie did in fact plan to pick up her Mother at IBM HQ in Armonk and she never arrived. The #1 question is which route did she choose to get there. I agree that I-684 would have been the most direct and probably quickest route under normal weather conditions, but I also question the likeliness of a car accident on an interstate going unnoticed versus someone taking the back roads. Sadly, her intended path is unknown and this poses the greatest challenge for Mr. Leisek and his team.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2021
    stygianowl and LucyOso like this.
  18. Jmoose

    Jmoose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,478
    Likes Received:
    37,631
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Dom
    Some people will avoid a road like rt 684 when the roads are bad because they erroneously feel safer on roads with a much lower speed limit, like Rt 22. I have no idea whether or not she did this, but if not, then where is she? I have a strong belief that the car somehow managed to end up in a body of water near whatever road she used.
     
  19. VaYank5150

    VaYank5150 Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Thank you. Like you, in my heart of hearts, I believe this was a water accident. While cars can be destroyed and hidden, it is much more difficult than hiding bodies, and since her car has never been found, this is what I hang my hat on. Funny part is, when I spoke to Detective Haynes, he agreed that this is probably a water recovery scenario.
     
    stygianowl likes this.
  20. VaYank5150

    VaYank5150 Member

    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Wow....after watching the Live session with Adventures with Purpose, and hearing Jared Leisek speak so confidently about this case, I am pumped!
     
    LucyOso and Alleykins like this.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice