NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[SherlockHomes]

There is no drifter, the drifter is a "MacGuffin" inserted by the SCPD as part of their strategy against the suspect. If there was someone else at the house (who isn't one of the only 3 men involved in May 1st events) their identity would have been flushed out already by the press.

I dont think that the drifter is fake. First off you have the neighbor who saw Brewer and another man loading a U-haul in the middle of the night. Would the post really make up a whole story about the drifter's mother. The post must have his name but were under strict orders from police NOT to release it. I think the Gilberts probably have his name too.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I am as curious about this mysterious drifter as the rest of you are. I went back and read some old articles today and this one stood out.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ntial-area-for-more-bodies-off-ocean-parkway/

Gilbert’s Mom: Daughter Won’t Be Found Near Gilgo Beach As Search Continues


I wonder if SG's mom feels this way due to knowing about the presence of the drifter at JB's that night. How long was it after Shannan's disappearance before he allegedly took off for Georgia? I hate typing this but if he took off with a deceased Shannan in tow, she could be anywhere along I-95 right now. I sure wish we knew where in Ga he was supposedly headed. I would bet a cold beer that he was headed to a destination along the coast. Just a hunch tho!

MOO

wm

 

[Theforeigner]

FYI:

The first GB4 body found, Dec 11, 2010, was Melissa Barthelemy.
She was ” found a FEW FEET into the brush off the parkway, police said. ”

Take a look at the location were Melissa Barthelemy was found, she was more or less dumped right by the road!

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/cops-bodies-found-near-ocean-parkway-1.2539606

IMO the GB4 killer, no doubt whatsoever, wanted his victims to be found.

Just like the killer of the AC4 (Atlantic City murders).

Both the AC4 and the GB4: 4 dead prostitues dumped/staged in a row, either in, or by water.


AC: all fully clothed, no shoes/socks.
GB4: all naked wraped in burlap


BAREFOOT and BURLAP:

“The removal of shoes has also been associated since biblical times with bereavement and mourning (Ezek. 24:17, isa. 20:2-4, Jer. 2:25) Jews were buried barefoot”

On Jewish fast days, or days of atonement, the penitent customarily wore sackcloth (burlap), placed ashes on his head, and went barefoot.

So…could the killer possibly be jewish?


I seriously doubt that the Shannon Gilberts case is connected to the Long Island Serial killer case.

IMO the Long Island Serial killer and the Atlantic City Serial killer are the same man.

 

[SherlockHomes]

To think Shannan is not connected to the SK case is absurd. Here is a recent post from Sherlock (not me, confusing I know) about Joe Brewer's missing tenants.


Sherlock
Gia who lived in an apartment house on Higbie Lane across the street from 111 Higbie Lane. I will try to get the last name and exact address for you.July 6th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
http://animalnewyork.com/2010/12/west-islip-man-was-only-guilty-of-maybe-banging-a-hooker/

As for the religious aspect Babylon plays a pretty significant role in Revelation.
Revelation 17

Babylon, the Prostitute on the Beast

*1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
*3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

***BABYLON THE GREAT

***THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES

***AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

I wouldn't be surprised if the killer is a religious freak or these passages are part of his ritual somehow.

 

[scandi]

Good morning all, in light of the 48hrs special, this thread has seen a bump in activity which can only help the case. After watching and continuing to think about the case, I wanted to post some questions that maybe people has some insight into or reasonable ideas. Many of these questions have been discussed before, but to me, they are some of the biggest questions in a case full of unknowns...anyway here we go

1.http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/04/police_think_they_know_the_ide.html ...this article, along with others, cites that police know they identity of a suspect but haven't made an arrest. Questions are - do they really have a suspect? Building a case? Planting that to spook the SK?
2. Has MB's sister confirmed or denied that CPH or JB or MP or anyone else's voice is the man who called her? Have the police played her those voices for recognition?
3. Kill sites...a garage or shed SK has access to? How close in proximity is the kill sites to the dump sites? How far did he have to travel to dump the bodies?
4. Did he request the last two victims to leave their cell phones because of the problems that occurred with SG? Are they definitely connected? Did he realize his mistakes with SG and change tactics with the last two victims?
5. 2008....what happened and where was he? Why no victims? Injury, Jail, out of area, no opportunity to have the time necessary for a victim?

Obviously many many more questions about this case exist to which we have no answers, but these are some that have swirling in my head and thought I'd put out for thought and discussion

Hi NJGuy, It's good to see you posting as I'll never forget a post I think you wrote in the very beginning of the case {post #200 1st LI thread} that concerned a Mr Alves, thought to be a SK who was out of prison. If I have the wrong NJ poster please forgive me, but have been rolling this over in my brain quite often:


It says they thought he was a SK and the poster says he thinks he's out of prison now.

I thought you might know cause you're local. xox

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/polizzi_darlene.html
__________________

 

[minazoe]

I still don't think they are the same...only because the first 4 were practically out in public, where as these LI victims were hidden and camoflauged.

does anyone remember when CPH had his accident and lost his leg?

I noticed in the clip of CPH in the car , he answers a question about Shannon and he rflexivley touches his face near his eyes...makes he think he is lying...aso those strange lopey eyes...

so lets look at it

is he an overly sensitve acedemic type , who just feels tremendous empathy and wants to help? is he feeling responsible because this happened near his home? does he not want to appear like other neighbors who won't come to the door or offfer to help?


or...

is he titillated by all this and making his little phone calls and writing his little letters? Has craigslist enabled him to order girls like fastfood and play a little differently? do the burial sites right under the nose of his wife excite him ?

those letters are troublesome and I wonder if we can find out how they were transmited to NBC.

you know, its very hard to have all these coincidences converging and sliding into eachother like this...how much furthur is it reasonable to have to look for a suspect in this...there are too many victims in one place to think that oh, this is a trucker or someone far away.

 

[MrsPC]

IMO, the doc had nothing to do with the killings....

he may be a quirky old guy but I really don't believe the police would just brush him off as a suspect and not tear his home apart (like they did Brewer's) if there was any evidence whatsoever that he was linked.

And IMO, Brewer is still who law enforcement have their sights on. They tore his home apart, impounded his vehicle, refused to comment about the "inconclusive results" of his polygraph, and locals have been posting that police keep doing "drive-bys" at his mom's. Unfortunately, he had several months to clean out his Oak Beach home & get rid of incriminating evidence (May to December) and I think that's why an arrest hasn't been made yet.

just my nickel

 

[Soulmagent]

Anyone posted this yet? I am finding alot of other cases where bodies are dumped repeatedly in the same area.. Like murderers leave pheromones that attract other murderers or something.

A Taunting Phone Call Proves True As A Woman Still Remains Missing
"You will never find her." The caller told Charlotte Saulnier. The caller was referring to her twenty-seven year old daughter Katrina McVeigh. The mother of three disappeared from Front and Lincoln Street in Woonsocket in June of 1992. The family strongly believes that Katrina is deceased and knew her murderer. She had just gotten out of an longterm abusive relationship. Her last known address was 295 Second Avenue. Her brother has stated that he believed that she may have been buried on the banks of the Blackstone River in town. Sadly her disappearance is not the only case of disappearances and unsolved murders in the town of Woonsocket

http://www.ctcoldcases.com/Rhodeisland.html

 

[truthspider]

I see my #1 suspect can't help but make himself look MORE suspect as time goes on. Called the family at the behest of SG's driver and friend? Really? Wouldn't take a poly, huh? Surprise surprise.

The burning question in my mind is, how does Brewer know Hackett (because I'd bet dollars to donuts they DO know each other). And that little ride SG and JB took that night? Whatcha wanna bet they drove to CPH's house? Any takers?

I'm more than with you on that Mountain Kat.

I not only think they know each other and that doc has probably provided Brewer with drugs before.. viagra, ambien, nothing crazy, afterall CPH was described as an aggressive pill salesman in oak beach by a fellow resident. I now believe that JB has not only been ready and willing to have his car, house and property searched, to take a polygraph etc. but has also been cooperating with SCPD from the start and is willing to testify against CPH.

My reasoning for this is as follows, JB has cooperated to the fullest since the start, but the only thing he can testify about is the events the night of a missing persons case. Well, LE is now looking at a 10+ body count and a serial killer, they can't charge CPH with much unless there is a body, so even if JB can testify that CPH was with SG and had video to prove it, it still wouldn't be worth revealing that until they can find SG's body, or connect CPH to the other bodies.

CPH needs and wants SG to stay a missing persons case like fish need water.

recall both partie's statements and stance:
JB: "the truth will come out"
CPH: "She's missing" .... "she was missing" ... "Missing Persons Poster" ...missing missing missing.

Also, we now have proof that one of them is a pathological liar, and he is claiming in the letters that he has never met or heard of JB....really? You are on the board of this tiny oak beach association, and you haven't met one of the residents? Someone from the association remind us of how few people live in the association, because that seems a little unlikely to me.

An experienced criminal attorney I know (pops) said they may need a confession to ever get a conviction... I'm thinking the world is a bit too connected (digitally) these days for CPH to remain free for long. With all these people snooping around, sleuthing, watching from their cars or vans, or through their periscopes, scanning server logs, emails, and wireless networks, it is, in my opinion unreasonable to think even the best adversary could hide activities such as his forever.

The number of people watching, sleuthing and looking for evidence is still growing by the day, thanks to the Gilbert family including Shannan. I feel at this point the problem of hiding ALL his evidence is insuremountable, and WE will find what we need, unless HE GIVES it to us first

Mr Hyde is stuck neck deep in the sand, and the tide is coming in... :truce:

 

[truthspider]

I am as curious about this mysterious drifter as the rest of you are. I went back and read some old articles today and this one stood out.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04...ntial-area-for-more-bodies-off-ocean-parkway/

Gilbert’s Mom: Daughter Won’t Be Found Near Gilgo Beach As Search Continues


I wonder if SG's mom feels this way due to knowing about the presence of the drifter at JB's that night. How long was it after Shannan's disappearance before he allegedly took off for Georgia? I hate typing this but if he took off with a deceased Shannan in tow, she could be anywhere along I-95 right now. I sure wish we knew where in Ga he was supposedly headed. I would bet a cold beer that he was headed to a destination along the coast. Just a hunch tho!

MOO

wm

I've never heard the Gilbert family say a peep about some drifter, but they sure do love to scream to the media, that Hackett is a "f#@$%^ liar" and his house should be searched, and he knows something, etc.

drifter who went to Georgia OR someone "we don't want to name as a suspect" went to Arizona. The latter is already a fact, and the Gilbert family has known this fact since May 2010.

 

[truthspider]

I dont think that the drifter is fake. First off you have the neighbor who saw Brewer and another man loading a U-haul in the middle of the night. Would the post really make up a whole story about the drifter's mother. The post must have his name but were under strict orders from police NOT to release it. I think the Gilberts probably have his name too.

I find your sarcastic statement about the Post hilarious and perfectly timed as we watch News Corp's reporting credibility literally evaporate :floorlaugh:

 

[truthspider]

IMO, the doc had nothing to do with the killings....

he may be a quirky old guy but I really don't believe the police would just brush him off as a suspect and not tear his home apart (like they did Brewer's) if there was any evidence whatsoever that he was linked.

And IMO, Brewer is still who law enforcement have their sights on. They tore his home apart, impounded his vehicle, refused to comment about the "inconclusive results" of his polygraph, and locals have been posting that police keep doing "drive-bys" at his mom's. Unfortunately, he had several months to clean out his Oak Beach home & get rid of incriminating evidence (May to December) and I think that's why an arrest hasn't been made yet.

just my nickel

read the letters, the police did go through the Doc's house, and they brought cadaver dogs with them... then keep reading... and the truth will reveal itself.

 

[21merc7]

I want to know what name was said in the 911 call, and if that is why the family is so upset about the Doc or if it is b.c of his phone calls to them. Those calls are just hinky.

I agree with the others that JB and the Doc know each other.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm more than with you on that Mountain Kat.

I not only think they know each other and that doc has probably provided Brewer with drugs before.. viagra, ambien, nothing crazy, afterall CPH was described as an aggressive pill salesman in oak beach by a fellow resident. I now believe that JB has not only been ready and willing to have his car, house and property searched, to take a polygraph etc. but has also been cooperating with SCPD from the start and is willing to testify against CPH.

My reasoning for this is as follows, JB has cooperated to the fullest since the start, but the only thing he can testify about is the events the night of a missing persons case. Well, LE is now looking at a 10+ body count and a serial killer, they can't charge CPH with much unless there is a body, so even if JB can testify that CPH was with SG and had video to prove it, it still wouldn't be worth revealing that until they can find SG's body, or connect CPH to the other bodies.

CPH needs and wants SG to stay a missing persons case like fish need water.

recall both partie's statements and stance:
JB: "the truth will come out"
CPH: "She's missing" .... "she was missing" ... "Missing Persons Poster" ...missing missing missing.

Also, we now have proof that one of them is a pathological liar, and he is claiming in the letters that he has never met or heard of JB....really? You are on the board of this tiny oak beach association, and you haven't met one of the residents? Someone from the association remind us of how few people live in the association, because that seems a little unlikely to me.

An experienced criminal attorney I know (pops) said they may need a confession to ever get a conviction... I'm thinking the world is a bit too connected (digitally) these days for CPH to remain free for long. With all these people snooping around, sleuthing, watching from their cars or vans, or through their periscopes, scanning server logs, emails, and wireless networks, it is, in my opinion unreasonable to think even the best adversary could hide activities such as his forever.

The number of people watching, sleuthing and looking for evidence is still growing by the day, thanks to the Gilbert family including Shannan. I feel at this point the problem of hiding ALL his evidence is insuremountable, and WE will find what we need, unless HE GIVES it to us first

Mr Hyde is stuck neck deep in the sand, and the tide is coming in... :truce:

BBM

I've been busy following other cases, so my head isn't in a good space for sleuthing this case until I review and refresh my memory, but you make an excellent point here, Spider. I had forgotten that CPH was on the Assoc. board. Wife is active in the community too, isn't she? Quite curious that CPH claims not to know JB. Maybe a local can give us alittle insight into how likely that statement might be?

What really jumps out at me about CPH though, is his goofy statement about MP and SG's friend asking him to call the family. Why on God's green earth would either of those two come to Oak Beach looking for SG, knock on a complete strangers door, and then ask that stranger to call the family of a missing prostitute? For what purpose?! Think about it. Let's say your sister disappears from an apartment complex. You knock on doors asking around. Some Dr. you've never met answers, you tell him the story, and you ask him if he's seen your sister. He says, "No. Never heard of her. Never seen her." Would you then ask this stranger to call your mother and talk to her? Not once, but twice?! To say what exactly? That you're clueless? Doesn't make sense. And where are the other calls from neighbors who know nothing? Why just this one stranger? IF CPH told the friend he knew nothing about SG, why would he have been asked to call the family at all? And then, why lie about making the calls?

We have a few early reports of CPH saying he saw SG running down the beach looking sick and disoriented. I find it hard to believe a reporter just made that up out of thin air. So what is the origin of THAT story?

We have the family of SG saying CHP called them and said he was keeping SG in his rehab facility. Did the family make THAT up? Why would they...for what purpose?

And from CPH's own letters, we know that he refused to take a poly, stating his health issues might cause a false reading. But from his letters we also learned that, despite his allergies to dogs, he allowed cadaver dogs to search his property. He wouldn't have done that if SG had died in his home. And yet, he refuses to take a poly, which tells me he defintely knows something about what happened to SG.

Early on, I tried looking for an office for CPH. Found several curious things, none of which added up. I gave up in frustration. Maybe I need to look at that again with a fresh set of eyes. :waitasec:

 

[truthspider]

I still don't think they are the same...only because the first 4 were practically out in public, where as these LI victims were hidden and camoflauged.

does anyone remember when CPH had his accident and lost his leg?

I noticed in the clip of CPH in the car , he answers a question about Shannon and he rflexivley touches his face near his eyes...makes he think he is lying...aso those strange lopey eyes...

so lets look at it

is he an overly sensitve acedemic type , who just feels tremendous empathy and wants to help? is he feeling responsible because this happened near his home? does he not want to appear like other neighbors who won't come to the door or offfer to help?


or...

is he titillated by all this and making his little phone calls and writing his little letters? Has craigslist enabled him to order girls like fastfood and play a little differently? do the burial sites right under the nose of his wife excite him ?

those letters are troublesome and I wonder if we can find out how they were transmited to NBC.

you know, its very hard to have all these coincidences converging and sliding into eachother like this...how much furthur is it reasonable to have to look for a suspect in this...there are too many victims in one place to think that oh, this is a trucker or someone far away.

I haven't spent much time on the AC bodies, but something i read recently (from john douglas) said that it is common for SK's to leave their victims to be found when they are far away from home, but if they are dumping a body close to home will put in effort to hide the bodies. Common sense really.

Also, I read somewhere that the AC investigators believe their suspect has a foot fetish, hence the no shoes or socks. Foot fetish, foot fetish, hmmm. I bet if he was more comfortable in AC, and had more time, he would have liked to take off one of those feet, or both.

Some sort of trauma is usually the cause of the angry thought processes that lead to serial murder (John Douglas not me).

Trauma from losing a leg + Rejection from women due to handicap = Motive


Rejection, resentment, foot fetish, dismembered feet and legs of victim, carry the 2... I'm officially going with Mr Hyde for the AC murders as well.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Has anyone sleuthed details of Mr. Hyde's accident?

Who else was involved?
Where?
When?
Why?
How?

Just curious to know more.

wm

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Has anyone sleuthed details of Mr. Hyde's accident?

Who else was involved?
Where?
When?
Why?
How?

Just curious to know more.

wm

I tried, but all I found was the comment on the hospital message board. :waitasec:

 

[waltzingmatilda]

M_K, Welcome back my friend!

Perhaps one of our LI locals knows something and can enlighten us!

I wonder which name Shannan was using that fateful night? Angelina? Madison?

I think this is why cph wrote in that letter....

"When I first heard the name of a person named Shannan Gilbert she was already missing."

Of course she was. He didn't know her as Shannan when he saw her that night...and I believe he did. De-personalization maybe? MOO

wm

 

[CanManEh]

I just watched the 48 hours episode again does anyone know if the doctor and mr brewer knew one another or how far apart they lived from one another. This killer is clearly liking the attention i wonder why the police dont put out a decoy on craigs list and see if this guy makes contact kinda like they did with BTK .

 

[Reannan]

Hey guys....and gals! I have been distracted with other cases and things going on in life, but this case haunts me and I hope to be back in gear. Looks like we are currently discussing and looking at CPH. He has always been high on the prime suspect list IMHO. I totally agree with MK about his knowing JB. He HAS to know him, and I would also bet that the little drive SG and JB took the night Shannon went missing was to CPH's home. I have also wondered if there was some connetion to a visit to CPH's home that night and the phone call SG made to the pharmacy. CPH would have been able to write perscriptions.