NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #7

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I didn't mean to say that they were living the high life, sorry if that was unclear. All I meant was that they seemed to be higher up on the food chain than women who walk the streets. That seemed obvious to me by the fact of their advertising on CL and going out on dates rather than getting in someone's car off the boulevard. Also, weren't some of them from other states? (I am tired and the facts of each victim are all running together for me right now.) I assumed therefore, given their profession, that financial incentives were what took them to, for example, Maine to Long Island.

But I'll repeat: please correct me if I'm wrong. I could well be mixed up.

They may be a little higher on the food chain, than a street walker, but not much.

They were from other states, but addicts and prostitutes are a very transient group of people. It's not like they own a home and have a steady job. They get kicked out of where they are staying so they go stay with someone else. There is a lot of turmoil in their lives so they are moving around to try to escape it. But definitely not because they are making some kind of big money all around the country.
 

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If it is MW's phone no. It was listed on cheatingboards also and linked to craiglist. It mentioned incalls in happepauge/smithtown. The name in the ad was tiffany and placed around 9/2009

"I'M A HOTT NEW SUPER CUTE GIRL IN TOWN 34C-24-36 (5'6, 125LBS) (strawberry blonde/blue)"

2009? So, Happepauge wasn't new territory to her. Obviously, she didn't have to be offered huge sums of money to come. She had clientel there, imo. Or knew there would be enough money to make the trip worthwhile, anyway. Makes me think even more that this might have been a repeat customer or someone referred to her by a repeat customer. Or maybe she just wasn't all that security conscious, I don't know. But that one point does seem to set SG apart from the others, doesn't it? As far as we know, she was the only one that brought along a driver. Was that because JB wasn't a regular customer? :waitasec:
 

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Do you have any links? From what I've read they charged around $250 an hour. That's not high end in NY.

And from what I've read about these women none of them sound like they were living the high life.


One of the girl's mother did say that she liked expensive things (sorry, I can't remember which girl), and had told her that the escort agency had clients like doctors, lawyers, etc. I just can't see most doctors hiring escorts for some reason, so thought that was hinky and wondered if some were posing as doctors. The more "high end" women who charge much more might not be as naive and fall for the stories of a fake or psycho like girls who are more impressed with professionals. Just my opinion.
 

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Men don't care what women are wearing, especially in this context. They just want the clothes off. It's not like he was taking her out to dinner or something.


Oh, okay. So fantasy or attractiveness plays no role in the prostitute-john interaction. No john ever says, for example, "please wear a red dress" because he wants to imagine her as the cute marketing intern that he sees every day at work who looks so sweet in her red dress that he would love to unzip her out of.

No, the prostitute can show up wearing no makeup, baggy sweats, even, and it makes no difference, as long as the sweats come off.

Really?
 

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They may be a little higher on the food chain, than a street walker, but not much.

They were from other states, but addicts and prostitutes are a very transient group of people. It's not like they own a home and have a steady job. They get kicked out of where they are staying so they go stay with someone else. There is a lot of turmoil in their lives so they are moving around to try to escape it. But definitely not because they are making some kind of big money all around the country.

Has it been reported that any of the victims got kicked out of where they were staying, in Maine and Connecticut, as I recall, and went to Long Island to stay with someone else?

If not, how do you think they ended up dead on LI if not to visit a client?
 

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:greetings: Albie, and :welcome: to WS. Nice to have you here. I think many of us were also confused at that rumor and hope it is true just from everything we learned about him. Possibilities, you know.

I'd love to know why you think his health is bad in those respects.

Also, we read somewhere :waitasec: that the investigation was looking at 2 people who had some background in law enforcement. I always wondered about Blue's handler as he did locate 5 of the remains which is almost beyond the realm of luck IMO. Thing is, he's probably a super nice guy and devoted to what he does in the dept and that is it. Until someone is arrested or named a POI I'll always wonder about that tho.


Yikes! He found one of the bodies when "Blue" was in the car. It's been all over the press. Hated to say it too, but I did wonder.

Also, If the SK had a background in say, EMS, or was a police surgeon, he would probably be very familiar with things like cell phones, blackberries and more. If the girls ever received a text from someone who used their real name in the text- he could have gotten it that way. Not sure if it would have to have been "saved" or not. Maybe someone else knows...:twocents:
 

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Okay, YOU see it too!

That's the loop. 2 bridges from the Oak Beach strip of land (whatever you guys call it) to the mainland LI area, and all this activity right in the middle. That's the route! I just couldn't figure out which roads. Thanks.

IMO

Note too that Cherri Bombs, XDreams, and a bunch of other strip clubs (well, prostitution rings, let's call them for what they really are) fall right in the middle.

And speaking of Cherri Bombs...what the hell is up with all these cherries!? Cherry tat on SG, Cherry Tat on the body found in Hemstead, MW is a "cherry blossom girl", Cherri Bombs. Am I losing it, or is this weird to you too? I'm losing it, huh?

Yes indeed, I'm with you both!!! Nicely done carbuff!

Mountain Kat, I thought that might be what you were mapping! Let me guess, Long Island Expressway runs close to most, if not all the locations

Sure seems like the cherries mean SOMETHING! Or like you said, we're just losing it!:crazy:

I wanted to post a link (if I can!) to a short text article from Inside Edition talking about an interview that aired on 4/13/2011. It's about an interview with our Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde...Does Inside Edition count as MSM? Tx!
 

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Also, we read somewhere :waitasec: that the investigation was looking at 2 people who had some background in law enforcement. I always wondered about Blue's handler as he did locate 5 of the remains which is almost beyond the realm of luck IMO. Thing is, he's probably a super nice guy and devoted to what he does in the dept and that is it. Until someone is arrested or named a POI I'll always wonder about that tho.
<rsbm>

I don't find that at all unusual, candi. SG disappeared in May, and IIRC, Officer Mallia and Blue had been searching south of Ocean Parkway throughout the summer. I don't know if Blue has cadaver training, but once they searched in December and located the first set of remains ... logic would dictate that you would continue searching in that area for anything related to the initial finding. Whether a search dog with cadaver training or without, and with the bodies only 500' from the first set, it's pretty much a given they would be located easily.
 

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From my daughter again-

Thinking about the girls whose families he didnt call...
My daughter says that she and many girls that are in
that line of work, along with the men that see them, have
"hobby" phones. Either a different phone/number they use
just for work or a google voice number.
From what I understand, it is just a phone they use for
business only and they only have numbers for their clients on it. If the other girls whose families didnt receive calls
had one than there may be a simple reason he didnt taunt.
he didnt have the information.

Also, my daughter says that $1500 isnt that out of the
norm for girls that work via the internet. But it is weird
the way she was dressed. Maybe he requested her to
dress casual. So not to draw attention.
if it was one of her regulars, wouldnt she have mentioned
it to her roomate? Like, im going to see so and so.

Just some things to ponder from my daughter, who knows
things I wish she didnt.

Sorry about typos, phone typing sucks.
 

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http://youtu.be/A8lh-g8dvH8

Interesting video about ALC...it sounds like she had a cell phone and a house phone?

That's what I'm getting too. Was the phone she handed to the roomate the house phone? Probably. So where is HER phone?

Also...she was supposed to go into rehab? Where? I realize many of these girls had drug problems, so rehab for any of them wouldn't have been that unsual, but we have that phone call to SG's mother saying SG wanted to quit the life and was in rehab with a certain Dr. Probably nothing, but it does make me want to know exactly where ALC was supposed to go for rehab.
 

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Yes indeed, I'm with you both!!! Nicely done carbuff!

Mountain Kat, I thought that might be what you were mapping! Let me guess, Long Island Expressway runs close to most, if not all the locations

Sure seems like the cherries mean SOMETHING! Or like you said, we're just losing it!:crazy:

I wanted to post a link (if I can!) to a short text article from Inside Edition talking about an interview that aired on 4/13/2011. It's about an interview with our Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde...Does Inside Edition count as MSM? Tx!

Actually, what I was mapping was somewhat different (but the same, it turns out). Patterns of travel can't be hidden. Like I said, our SK is who he is. He works where he works, lives where he lives, frequents the places he frequents. So I plugged in known locations, and started to see what the travel pattern was. I assumed he would have travelled to the dumpsites on his way home. In other words, he wouldn't travel to Oak Beach to dump, and then double back to a house on the mainland of LI. That's when the "loop pattern" stood out to me. What I didn't do, until yesterday morning, was add in other unsolved murders. I can't focus if my map has too much info that might night be connected to the case I'm working, so I don't usually include "might be related" locations. But yesterday morning, the Manorville and Hemstead cases just grabbed me, so I figured what the heck, map it and see. It fit perfectly within my loop.

But without Carbuff's mapping, I still wouldn't have had the full picture. He added info from cases I wasn't even aware of, and figured out the roads (which was really stumping me!).

So this morning, I need to do some research into the unsolved cases he mapped that involved prostitutes being strangled. Exact c.o.d of the 4 known victims, so very interesting to me. I had never even heard of those cases. Carbuff is the man (or woman)! :)
 

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Thank you Tangmit. Here are a few other links that I found on Elena's thread.

This one states she was supposed to be taking a bus to Boston and was never seen again. She sure is around the same size as the LI victims.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/156638/314/Skeletal-remains-of-missing-Portland-woman-found

This one states her body was found in a romote area of Maine.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2c51fd21fc524895ae3405c83320f92c/ME--Suspicious-Death/

RIP Elena.

wm

ETA here's the link with Elena's ht. and wt.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141156&catid=2
 

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ALC's roomate speaks up on GMA! I'll try to copy the link, but I'm not too sure how to do it. Forgive my ignorance in advance.
 

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Thank you Tangmit. Here are a few other links that I found on Elena's thread.

This one states she was supposed to be taking a bus to Boston and was never seen again. She sure is around the same size as the LI victims.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/156638/314/Skeletal-remains-of-missing-Portland-woman-found

This one states her body was found in a romote area of Maine.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2c51fd21fc524895ae3405c83320f92c/ME--Suspicious-Death/

RIP Elena.

wm

ETA here's the link with Elena's ht. and wt.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141156&catid=2

This doesn't really seem to fit our pattern, does it? Our SK doesn't go to his victims (that we know of), they come to him. I can't envision him stepping out of his comfort zone. Also, the victim doesn't appear to be his "type". :waitasec:

You never know, though. Won't hurt to keep an eye on that case.
 

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This doesn't really seem to fit our pattern, does it? Our SK doesn't go to his victims (that we know of), they come to him. I can't envision him stepping out of his comfort zone. Also, the victim doesn't appear to be his "type". :waitasec:

You never know, though. Won't hurt to keep an eye on that case.

~above BBM~

Me neither Mountain_Kat. BUT, There sure are alot of commonalties and coincidences in these cases we are studying......buses, bus stations, working girls of small stature, People's mamas.....etc.

I agree we should keep an eye on it though. If SK was tracking the movements of these ladies thru websites, he could have travelled I guess. Perhaps he had a close call around home base which compelled him to go elsewhere. Specualtion only.

For now, I will go with not related until we hear more info.:twocents:

wm
 
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