NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

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  1. LaWanda

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    Continue here. I'll have a mod close the other one.
     
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    Continuing with the new thread.
     
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  5. tfrohning

    tfrohning Rest in Peace

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    I hope they slip with a poi! I do feel the SK lives in that community and I getting weird vibes about some neighbors!!!!!!!!!!! I think this case will be solve and I think it might be right out of crimmal minds or csi !
     
  6. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Per WS TOS we cannot sleuth anyone who has not been named a suspect or POI in mainstream media. (MSM)

    This post lands at random. I am not a mod but am reminding everyone just so we don't get in trouble with admin. :)

    This thread is getting very active due to the recent publicity so I wanted post this for our new sleuths and as a reminder for everyone.

    We must be careful and considerate. Just think of the nightmare for us and our families if anyone of us were innocently caught up in this fiasco as neighbors or witnesses.

    wm
     
  7. RIGHTEOUS1

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    Does this start on ST Pats Day?
     
  8. epochmiss

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    I have a little escorting knowledge under my belt from an experience fifteen eyars ago in Boston. Not my cup of tea, very brief, very hideous, later alligator... but I have seen several posters question JB's stating that he had Shannan to a "party."

    In the escorting world, a john will ask for a girl who likes to "party" if he is into cocaine. On the phone with them, if they say, "Do you like to party?", it is code for "Do you do blow? Will you do blow with me?" A girl who is escorting and into this type of thing will jump at the chance to "party" with a john. A girl who isn't into "partying" is not someone who interests these kind of men. They like to do lines for hours with a girl who enjoys it, a girl who is not shocked by it. It's a sense of excitement and comraderie the johns are after, I suppose.

    I hesitate to implicate this person in this kind of activity, I might be going out on a ridiculous limb- who am I to say?- but this has struck me repeatedly every time I see mention of this supposed "party" he had SG to at his home. Cocaine. Party. Etc.

    There are no details of a real party, no guests stepping forward, etcetera.

    Shannan was disoriented and very excitable, upset, possibly paranoid... she had been at JB's home for hours and hours, perhaps three, as some reports say, when she ran off and ended up at the elderly neighbor's home in a panic.

    Escorts who are willing to "party" often stay far longer than the usual hour time slot. Men who call willing girls for a "party" are able to, ahem, transact business for quite a longer time period than a sober, unaltered man who is not "partying." (Cocaine makes the male genitals impervious, in a way. Sorry for the TMI, just trying to put some thoughts out there.) This "party/cocaine" theory might explain why he and she were together so long, and why she was so messed up, according to witness reports.

    Another thought I have: Many men who call escorts, whether independents or girls working for a service, do so on a regular schedule. Like, every Friday. Every other Saturday. It's common for the men to make it a routine act. JB was a successful business owner and he had money to burn, on girls, on "party" material, what have you. I do not believe that SG's disappearance and these bodies in the area are not connected, whoever it is that killed them. It's Ocam's razor for me. Too much of a coincidence to be unrelated. My mind simply will not allow it.

    With my background, considering all the creeps I met in a very short, very disturbing time when I did what I did in Boston as a lost, recent college grad back in the mid-nineties, this bothers the he!! out of me. These poor girls never had the chance to put this degradation behind them and become happy, loving, successful women, mothers, teachers, artists... calm people, centered people. I had that chance and I will be forever grateful. May they rest in peace.
     
  9. Salem

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    Please follow the rules!

     
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    sorry mods...no furthur comments.
     
  11. Soulmagent

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    I just got home and all caught up ,it has been busy today.

    Thanks Salem for reminding us all not to drag names into the case that havent been released for what ever reason. It may be more important than we think that it has not been released.

    What if 5 doctors live in Oak beach and all of their bussiness is ruined because of doctor speculation? Or 16 dentist ? Or 3 landscapers? The whole neighborhood is going though a hard time already. It could be very possible that people have seen and heard things they didnt think much of at the time.

    We should see if can find how many times LE has been dispatched and the arrivals times of the LE in those cases.
     
  12. minazoe

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    In the Hawiai case the clothes were actually found for one victim...3 miles from the dump site...

    weren't the AC victims found fully clothed?

    I don't understand why this killer would be invested in removing clothing to prevent identification, as Nancy G has suggersted...I disagree...why would this guy give a damm about their identities? the only thing I can imagine is he is such a freak about even a trace of his dna, or one fiber escaping and leading to him.

    other than that, he desires and covets the clothing.
     
  13. Danica7

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    didnt the sk call one of the victims families? What if jb called sgs mom and said he was the dr and she stayed with him that night, to implicate someone else...then when the dr was called of course he denied it. I don't see the dr himself making that call if it was true indeed. I just don't think he has anything to do with it. I would be focusing on the shady guy who admits he gets girls off of craigslist since that is how the four disappeared also.
     
  14. chemcopout

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    early on in the case, does anyone remember the young male and his mother who supposedly saw shannon and described her behavior similiar to the driver? same old junk she was acting like she was "on drugs" etc.

    to regular people who are sheltered, they may have assumed it was drugs at the time. yet now after 8 bodies were found, i wonder if their description of acting like "on drugs" would change to fear for her life...


    on a random note, sg doesn't seem the type to let her guard down if someone's a doctor. she's street smart. trust no one. these johns may seem normal on the outside, yet i'm sure she's seen her share of the "inside freaks" they may exhibit when only in her presence. and surely she'd have heard stories from other girls. i'm not talking about sk's just men into weird things like diapers, s&m heavy, etc
     
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    Thanks Svpernin, that makes sense ;}
     
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    melissa barthelemy's sister family got calls from someone. it may or may not been the sk.
    imo, i honestly think it was a pissed off pimp who had no idea she was dead, and just thought that melissa left him and went back home or took off somewhere.

    the calls were made 3 days in july 2009. melissa was last seen july 12, 2009.
    she's wasn't found until this past december.

    at first i thought it might have been the sk, however if it is he's only harassed melissa's family. so at this point i honestly think it was her pimp, pissed off he's losing money and thinking she dipped out on him.

    http://www.metro.us/newyork/local/article/755182--slay-suspect-harassed-victim-s-sister
     
  17. epochmiss

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    It's too coincidental. I'm not sure how other women feel about men, but even I- with my brief few weeks escorting long ago, and being around that kind of horrid man- do not believe that men who solicit girls off of craigslist (or anywhere, for that matter) are all too common. I more than some should feel that they are common and that most men are pigs, that the soliciters are all around us- but I do not. I think it's pretty uncommon. Maybe a few, ten, twenty, per town, per area. (Cities, of course, densely populated areas, far more.) The dead women were all CL escorts, as was SG. I think the focus should be on johns, or associates, of CL escorts, and how many of them live relatively near the dumping ground, that desolate, isolated stretch of land? I mean, really? I don't think LE is playing their cards so close to their collective chest for nothing. I wish I could come up with more. This is one of the most boggling cases, so full of serendipity and odd twists...
    Thank you for your post. :)
     
  18. tfrohning

    tfrohning Rest in Peace

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    you could be right. I think it also could be excuse to why they murder her if it was SK.
     
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    I've been trying to think of a way to phrase this nicely, and there just isn't one.

    Maybe removing the clothing doesn't have anything to do with sex or paranoia. Maybe he's wrapping them in burlap and lime to keep them from smelling and attracting attention. If he dumped them beside the road in the summer, even in that unpopulated area somebody driving by with the windows open would notice something.
     
  20. epochmiss

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    Chemcopout:
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't I read that the calls to melissa's teen sister came from her phone? Like someone had melissa's phone after she disappeared/was reported missing, and used it to harass her family? I could swear that I read that somewhere....
     
  21. chemcopout

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    the way things went down that night are too coincidental for me, so i agree with those who agree with that =)

    shannon was in fear for her life, she knows someone is after her and wants to kill her. if i were her what would i do?
    she's not sure who it is, supposedly she calls 911 from jb's. yet she leaves and runs away from jb's house when jb calls the driver in.

    she tries to find someone else who can help her.
    she goes to gc's house and he does open the door and offer to wait with her and call 911. now if you have a psychokiller after you and are in a house with the only thing between you and the maniac being an older gentleman, then i think shannon choose flight over fight again. i can't say i wouldn't have done the same.

    she runs again from gc's house off into the weeds. soon afterwards, gc stops the suspicious looking driver, who's crawling in the suv, opening the door and looking.
    gc has to ask the asian driver of the suv if he can help him.
    the driver didn't ask gc if he saw shannon.

    this in itself is weird. if the driver was going to say shannon was upset and left a party, why not just ask gc that off the bat? why wait for gc to question him? maybe the driver didn't expect gc to be outside at that time of night? also why not call out for shannon by her name instead of hunting her like some stealthy dude going 2 miles per house in an suv stopping opening the car door, looking around, then repeating the pattern.

    odd.

    [ame="http://s988.photobucket.com/albums/af1/WebsleuthsCommunityAlbums/Shannan%20Gilbert%2024/?action=view&current=Homicideprobe.mp4"]Shannan Gilbert 24 :: Gustav Coletti video by WebsleuthsCommunityAlbums - Photobucket@@AMEPARAM@@http://vid988.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid988.photobucket.com/albums/af1/WebsleuthsCommunityAlbums/Shannan%20Gilbert%2024/Homicideprobe.mp4@@AMEPARAM@@vid988@@AMEPARAM@@988@@AMEPARAM@@af1/WebsleuthsCommunityAlbums/Shannan%20Gilbert%2024/Homicideprobe@@AMEPARAM@@mp4[/ame]

    gc has no reason to lie. however he does slip up when he says "they" after qouting shannon saying "they're after me". so i think le probably coached him on interviews and it was a slight was all. he wasn't supposed to use the word "they" as in plural.
     
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