NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

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Hi, I registered because all the posts here were so informative and intelligent. I have a few things to add. I live on LI and I know a few people have commented on it already, but that area is really desolate--it's like the end of the world and average people, even on LI don't know the area unless they have a reason to go there. It's VERY seasonal, extremely dead in the winter. That said, I think the person responsible for the 8 bodies found is from that area. They know that the vegetation is heavy in the summer thus easier to hide the bodies. He would also have to be known by local cops in the event he gets pulled over. The AC murders seemed sloppier, the profile of the victims is very different as well. One was 35 and another over 40, all of them had no shoes and is is suspected that a foot fetish was part of the MO of the murderer.

I was sure it was JB, but now think if it isn't him, it's someone associated with him. I'm thinking along the lines of sex party ring and/or drug ring. If you look on blockshopper, JB purchased an awful lot of properties in the last 5 years, I still haven't figured out what he does for a living. His sister owns that shady liquor store, not him. One of those properties is on Shelter Island, in the Hamptons, not cheap. Maybe he is an organizer and one of his guests is the killer or maybe he has connections to a local asian escort service that provides women that they specify for, thus the asian driver. Maybe it's some weird kinky sex fetish that includes choking/killing and the "guest" pays off her driver to leave. There is probably some drug dealing in there too, thus the reluctance for people to talk. My 2 cents.
 
Here is a really good article about one of the Atlantic City girls - Molly Dilts. Very well written..... I wish all reporters wrote like this. The story chornicles Molly's life. This statement caught my eye:

"After one absence of a week, Molly returned to West Colona and showed off a stunning black dress, a gift, she said, from an admirer with whom she had stayed in Atlantic City.
"She said she stayed at the Borgata," Rondell Burton said. The Borgata is touted as Atlantic City's most luxurious hotel-casino. "That was her first time going to Atlantic City. She said she really enjoyed herself and that she got to gamble for the first time, got to really see the beach, and that she would like to go back sometime."


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07035/759320-85.stm#ixzz1IwsWeTkW

I wonder if it was the SK that she stayed with and who purchased the dress for her. Molly also knew Kim Raffo and they were friends according to the article. I also found this statement interesting:

"Mr. Bocchino said he last saw Kim Raffo at 2:30 a.m. on a November morning. She bought something to eat. He held the door open for her as she got into a car with out-of-state plates."

That was the last day she was seen alive. The bodies were found the next day. So, I am betting the SK was from out of state when he was visiting AC and that he was well off financially. The Borgata has a website, and it looks very nice.... probably one of the only nice places Molly had ever stayed in her life.

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I have to catch up with other comments, but I must note that the New York Post article that's being distributed so freely on the net hangs on a very slender thread: police "are looking at some one." (What are the alternatives; not looking at anyone?)
 
Chanler said:
I have to catch up with other comments, but I must note that the New York Post article that's being distributed so freely on the net hangs on a very slender thread: police "are looking at some one." (What are the alternatives; not looking at anyone?)
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I agree, it does look like that was a quote from a Police Source, I'm trying to find conformation on this.
 
Reannan said:
Here is a really good article about one of the Atlantic City girls - Molly Dilts. Very well written..... I wish all reporters wrote like this. The story chornicles Molly's life. This statement caught my eye:

"After one absence of a week, Molly returned to West Colona and showed off a stunning black dress, a gift, she said, from an admirer with whom she had stayed in Atlantic City.
"She said she stayed at the Borgata," Rondell Burton said. The Borgata is touted as Atlantic City's most luxurious hotel-casino. "That was her first time going to Atlantic City. She said she really enjoyed herself and that she got to gamble for the first time, got to really see the beach, and that she would like to go back sometime."


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07035/759320-85.stm#ixzz1IwsWeTkW

I wonder if it was the SK that she stayed with and who purchased the dress for her. Molly also knew Kim Raffo and they were friends according to the article. I also found this statement interesting:

"Mr. Bocchino said he last saw Kim Raffo at 2:30 a.m. on a November morning. She bought something to eat. He held the door open for her as she got into a car with out-of-state plates."

That was the last day she was seen alive. The bodies were found the next day. So, I am betting the SK was from out of state when he was visiting AC and that he was well off financially. The Borgata has a website, and it looks very nice.... probably one of the only nice places Molly had ever stayed in her life.

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very interesting! Good Find! I am on fence about AC and LI be connected. I now leaning again that they are. So Molly and Kim worked on the same corner.

So Sk could live in LI and and play in AC. Maybe he thought it be safer to bring them back to LI to throw AC LE off.:waitasec:
 
Reannan said:
Here is a really good article about one of the Atlantic City girls - Molly Dilts.
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Hi
I just registered , i was going to post the link to that article, but you beat me to it. :)
it took me a while to get my website registration accepted.

The Dilts and Raffo connection is very interesting, and so are the out-of-state license plates.

I didn't think AC and Oak Beach SKs were related until I just read an article that quoted investigators :
said there were enough similarities in the Long Island murders and the grisly slayings in Atlantic City, which have so far remained unsolved
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The same article also provides nice pictures of the AC victims.
I can see the similarities in all 8 known victims, at least physically

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Ripper-closes-police-claim-know-identity.html
 
The first thing that comes to my mind is if the Driver was waiting for Her for 3 hours He had to have known Her and trusted Her, still he would have been paid something up front not in full because she would want him to wait so lets say half, why would he leave without getting paid? Even after looking for 1 hour. He is not going to leave without getting paid after spending the whole night with her. These are just ideas but seem pratical.
 
Secret77 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Ripper-closes-police-claim-know-identity.html
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Could this mean the last four found were not wrapped in burlap? Sounds like they don't have any id'ed yet.

The four remains discovered in December in Long Island - all later identified as Craigslist hookers - had been wrapped in burlap. The new discoveries - one found last week and three more on Monday - were dumped in a different manner, and were also found farther east off Ocean Parkway.. Police have not determined how long the remains had been there, and the new discoveries may pre-date the others. Police Commissioner Richard Dormer told the New York Post: 'We don't know their sex, we don't know their age, we don't know anything about them.'
 
I just wanted to point out some things that were written on the Facebook page in the discussions area

1) In an interview apparently GC said he stopped a guy in an SUV and Shannon came out from behind a boat where she had apparently been hiding, and the guy saw her and took off after her.

That sounds a lot more ominous than anything else I've heard.

2) Her sister mentioned that it took 3 months for the police to locate and listen to her 911 call!!!!!!

That is really terrible. So after the call ended, they just dismissed it? That's outrageous.
 
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I am so glad to see you all and appreciate your contributions to the thread!!!

wm
 
snapdragon2 said:
SOME working girls take drugs to make it more bearable (amongst other reasons I'm sure) but MANY do not, even if they do drugs/drink on their own time - because they know the dangers of their job & want to stay alert & in control. We don't know whether or not Shannon took drugs when she worked or that night. I don't think people should assume that just because she had some history of drug use she was on drugs that night. It certainly is possible, but I also think it's possible she was drugged.

In any case, what's that saying - just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you, or whatever. Even if she was in a more paranoid state of mind as a result of drugs, it doesn't mean she didn't have a reason to be afraid (and looking at what ensued, I would guess she did.)

(I am spending way too much time on this site!)
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Hi
We agree to disagree. Ask any LE officer, most (but not all) working girls have a drug problem (see bios of AC victims.) It is a catch 22 situation.
Most strip joints, and pimps encourage or at least turn a blind eye to drug use, because they know, once the girls become addicts they have to keep on working to support their habit. Most want to quit, but can't..

Check this article to get an idea of the life the AC victims lead:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234078,00.html
 
stillwatersc said:
There was a serial killer in 2000 in Kailua, HI who was never caught. The 3 known victims were not prostitutes but were petite.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=48306
In every case, the victim was between 5 feet and 5 feet 2 inches tall. Each woman weighed about 100 pounds.
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wow, excellent info!
I wonder if the dates of residence coincide with the crimes..
then again... if he had anything to do with SG's disappearance, why would he bother to call SG's mom?
It would have been better for him to just stay quiet.
 
RIGHTEOUS1 said:
The first thing that comes to my mind is if the Driver was waiting for Her for 3 hours He had to have known Her and trusted Her, still he would have been paid something up front not in full because she would want him to wait so lets say half, why would he leave without getting paid? Even after looking for 1 hour. He is not going to leave without getting paid after spending the whole night with her. These are just ideas but seem pratical.
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I believe that in the interview the driver said that he left thinking that SG would somehow find her way back home, then i assume he would ask her to would pay him.
This is not far fetched.. she did have $750 in cash and could have called a cab to drive her back to NJ.
I don't think it crossed the driver's mind that she was going to disappear.
 
Secret77 said:
wow, excellent info!
I wonder if the dates of residence coincide with the crimes..
then again... if he had anything to do with SG's disappearance, why would he bother to call SG's mom?
It would have been better for him to just stay quiet.
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The events surrounding SG's disappearance keep getting more and more bizarre. I certainly hope LE looked into this doctor guy. Why would he call SG's mom and not the cops with the info. that she stayed at his house that night, if it was true? Was it a taunt or was he actually trying to be helpful? You would think an educated doctor would have more sense. I never realized how many shady characters we had on LI...
 
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Thanks!
 
Secret77 said:
I believe that in the interview the driver said that he left thinking that SG would somehow find her way back home, then i assume he would ask her to would pay him.
This is not far fetched.. she did have $750 in cash and could have called a cab to drive her back to NJ.
I don't think it crossed the driver's mind that she was going to disappear.
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Who paid the Driver?
 
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