NY NY - Manhattan, WhtMale, 60-80, military tattoos, Mar'93

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  1. Coffee56

    Coffee56 Well-Known Member

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    60 to 80 year old White Male

    Date found March 13, 1993
    ​New York County, New York
    ​Circumstances:
    Unknown white male was witnessed to collapse on a northbound A train at the 125th street station.
    Tattoo of an eagle on right forearm, tattoo of Native American chief on upper right arm, two multicolored tattoos on left arm, depicting military designs with stars and "1948"and "1949" "Jack" "Good.....For......"

    http://www.veterandoe.com/unidentified

    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/7958

    Photos of tattoos and additional info at links


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  2. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    The Berlin Airlift took place in 1948 and 1949 so it's very possible he was involved in that in some capacity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade
     
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    Coffee56 Well-Known Member

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    I went ahead and cleaned up this UID's tattoos.
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    I don't know where they get "military" from, although he probably was of age to be drafted during and after WW2.
    These tattoos, strike me as patriotic rather than military. Both of these were from 1949, probably done cheaply in a foreign country due to the "Good Luck For Ever" instead of "Forever", the horse shoe letting the luck run out because of its position, and that the 9's are curled at the bottom.
    If these are his first tattoos, along with the eagle and the Native American chief (same tattoo artist), then I'd say he might have been around 18 years old in a foreign country for the first time in 1949. That would make "Jack" or John around 63 years old when he passed away.
    Hope it helps.
     

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    Coffee56 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for cleaning those up. They do look more patriotic than military.



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    Tabirey Music Addict

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    Awesome clean up, thank you!

    So I showed these to my Army vet hubby and he thinks they are military. Possibly done in South east Asia. The horse and horse shoe possibly represent a cavalry unit.

    The other is a representation of the Great Seal and possibly a memorial tattoo for a buddy named Jack (so not necessarily the UPs name).
    The stars above the eagle possibly represent the rank of the individual.

    Interesting fact about the eagle, from about 1870 until 1945, the eagles head was depicted to the left towards the held arrows (like our UPs tat). In 1945, President Truman had it changed to the right to depict it facing the olive branch to signify that the U.S. looked towards peace.

    JMO, but I do think this gentleman is a veteran. Maybe it would be possible to contact the local VA and DAV offices and maybe a rep would recognize the tats?

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    Coffee56 Well-Known Member

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    Great info. Thank you.


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  8. apearn

    apearn Paratrooper John Doe, May 1984, Florida #UP1254

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    He seems to be in a major travel hub in the middle of a major storm on a Saturday morning.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem%E2%80%93125th_Street_station

    http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tacur.pdf

    Saturday Service
    A Northbound
    From Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd, Queens, to 207 St, Manhattan

    Hmmm.... I'm wondering why he bothered to travel. No power at home so he's going somewhere else? Saturday doctors appt.? He has sneakers on during a blizzard so I wouldn't assume he planned on being out in the elements long.
     
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    Awesome information coming forward from you all. Thanks!

    It's interesting that only 2 blocks east from the 125th St. station where he collapsed, is the VA Harlem Community Clinic. Was he going to or coming home from a visit to the clinic? If he was going home, it certainly narrows down the number of neighborhoods he could've lived in.
     
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    Dylgem22 Where is Heather Elvis? #Moonchild

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    Did they not do fingerprinting in the military back then?? If he was a veteran, wouldn't his fingerprints have been on file?? Just thinking of avenues to take ...

    though NAMUS says fingerprints unavailable ...
     
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    There is a really good article from the Veteran Doe website which explains the whole situation with fingerprints and the military.
    http://www.veterandoe.com/fingerprints.html
     
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    Tabirey Music Addict

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    Highly informative, thank you!

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    Thank you Tabirey!

    I was wondering why this UID doesn't have a post mortem photo or at least a sketch associated with his Namus page? He'd be recognizable, since he collapsed on a train.

    And how would you go about asking for a post mortem or recreation being made public on Namus?
     
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    Wow great Job on this post and the tattoos and all other info coffeeandacig!!!! I also don't understand why not even a scketch of this guy. I wonder if there is a postmortem on file but they just never put it up.
     
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    Unidentified Person Case

    Scar/mark
    2" scar on right shin just below knee, .5" scar on left lower forearm

    Clothing
    coat with a hood, flannel shirt, belt, socks, chino-type pants
    On the Body

    Footwear
    "Reebok" sneakers

    Eye Description brown/green
    Hair Color White
    Head Hair Description 1", straight

    Height 5' 9"(69 inches) , Measured
    Weight170 lbs, Measured

    Unknown white male was witnessed to collapse on a northbound A train at the 125th street station.
     
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    Bit of hope Have a nice day!

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    A wonderful job! Thank you!
     
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    Thanks for all the compliments on the clean up! There's been some great posters with really valuable information!
    Like them, my heart goes out to all the military, especially someone who could've served in the Korean War.

    Is there anyone here who has a contact, or has ever contacted the NYPD for a PM photo of an Unidentified person before? I'd like to know if it's possible to get it.
     
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    oh that seems like a good find.. even though no mention of tattoos
     
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