NY - Mari Gilbert, mother of Shannan Gilbert, murdered by daughter Sarra, 23 July 2016

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  1. hoot owl

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    We will see what happens in court. There is a hearing on Sept. 9
     


  2. bessie

    bessie Verified Insider

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    NY - Mari Gilbert, mother of Shannan Gilbert, murdered by daughter Sarra, 23 July 2016

    Apparently, it is true. Sarra did kill her mother, Mari Gilbert. Interesting (unverified) post here.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?313241-NY-Mari-Gilbert-mother-of-Shannan-Gilbert-murdered-by-daughter-Sarra-23-July-2016&p=12720628#post12720628
     
  3. LadyFey

    LadyFey New Member

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    Wasn't Shannan bi-polar? And Sarra had been "in and out of mental health facilities". It's obvious she was getting treatment, but nobody could ever have predicted this horror! Maybe she went off her meds, like so many do when unsupervised.


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  4. LadyFey

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    I'm not an expert, by any means, but aren't the requirements for being able to stand trial the recognition of your actions as right or wrong, and the ability to aide in your own defense?


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  5. observation

    observation Active Member

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    Sorry for those following here daily but just a question. Was there ever any foul play found with the death of Mari G. From watching the series, she was very vocal in this case, so thought I would inquire with the experts. May she Rest In Peace.


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  6. Tssiemer

    Tssiemer Well-Known Member

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    Her other daughter killed her..


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  7. observation

    observation Active Member

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    Thank you- I just noticed someone asked the same question in a different thread. What a total tragedy. So sad and hope justice is swift (er) for the family and friends.


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  8. ps149

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    The home situation was not good. It's been well-documented that Shannon Gilbert had to be removed from Mari's house. Then it was revealed that Mari practiced black magic and witchcraft which led one of her other daughters to kill her. The home was plagued with mental illness.
     
  9. PennyPie7

    PennyPie7 The Power Of Crime Compels You.

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    I've had a similar thought train for a while now but did not know how to properly word it to avoid upsetting anyone because I do not by any means intend to be disrespectful to any involved....

    There was knowledge about that Sarra had been struggling with some severe mental health issues. I wonder what her phone records looked like? Could someone have possibly called her and convinced her that there were some type of demons in her mother? One report stated that Sarra asked Mari to come over that dreadful day. Was there a reason? The severely mentally ill can be particularly vulnerable. I wonder if these particular delusions were encouraged or brought up by someone else. Someone who didn't like Mari being so vocal about the other cases.

    Just a thought. Once again, I mean no harm or disrespect to anyone, just thinking out loud here as the entire collection of cases has been very strange. No matter what the actual causes, all of this is simply tragic.
     
  10. ssvoogel

    ssvoogel New Member

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    I can't unsee the connection with Hackett calling the Gilbert family earlier, and this theory. Could he be connected to a possible phone call to convince Sarra to kill her mother? Given Sarra's mental state, which was common knowledge, I would not be surprised if the killer called her to convince her to kill her mom, Mari.


    And from what I have seen, it was mostly Mari Gilbert who kept the case alive, when neither the media, nor the police put the effort in to keep it up. She was always pushing law enforcement to keep investigating, talking to the media, giving interviews. The killer possibly thought he would benefit from Mari being killed (although it brought with it even more media attention, which he might not have counted on).


    Even if it is not Dr Hackett, LISK is known for calling his victim's relatives.


    Does anyone know if the phone records were ever released?
     
  11. PennyPie7

    PennyPie7 The Power Of Crime Compels You.

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    The phone records of Sarra were absolutely not released.
    However, we may never know if they were even looked at in the first place.
     
  12. ssvoogel

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    I wonder if police looked into this and rushed to judgement the same way they did with Shannan (The theory that she tripped, hit her head, drowned and the branches ripped off her pants). I sure hope they are more competent than that and actually looked into it. Anyone would make the possible connection between this case and LISK, at least enough to investigate, I hope.
     
  13. PennyPie7

    PennyPie7 The Power Of Crime Compels You.

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    It's just a theory that crossed my mind. And with separate departments handling each of these issues, plus an attorney who is more interested in the spotlight, I am not certain it would ever be explored outside of this forum.
     
  14. thefragile7393

    thefragile7393 Chronically sleep deprived

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    Probably not...IMO. I hear stuff like this at work very often. Severely mentally ill people prone to delusions don't need help in coming up with strange and bizarre things...their brain does it all on its own.
     
  15. ssvoogel

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    While that might be true, it does not 100% disprove the theory the other person posted. Mentally unstable people like Sarra are prone to delusions, but they are also very easy to manipulate. It wouldn't even take a lot of effort to get her to kill Mari, if that was the goal in this. I just don't believe it is that easy to brush it off as "Sarra probably did it herself without any help"
     
  16. PennyPie7

    PennyPie7 The Power Of Crime Compels You.

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    That's exactly my point. If I wanted someone to disappear and knew someone that close to them was so vulnerable and easy to manipulate, I would swoop right the heck in and not a dang soul would suspect anything like that. They'd all say "she was very sick" just like that.
     
  17. ssvoogel

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    That might be what the killer is counting on, yes. Hoping people will just use the mental illness as the reason she did it.
     
  18. mcme

    mcme Driven away

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    Ahh, just what this case needs. Another farfetched conspiracy theory.
     
  19. ps149

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    Very doubtful. CPH is a colorful individual whose willingness to help others and his desire to look the part of the hero and simply be accepted in the eyes of others may have put him in the middle of something much larger than he could ever have wished for but there isn't one shred of evidence to suggest that he did anything criminal. The man has malpractice insurance and the crazy lawsuit against him (that will never hold water in court) is a medical malpractice wrongful death lawsuit that would have been covered by his liability insurance if he somehow lost in a fairyland court. There were never any criminal charges against him because he never did anything to warrant them. So where is any motive for Dr. CPH to push anyone to kill Mari???

    No way Jose. LOL

    I do agree with what was said about how people with mental illness can easily be persuaded. That has been my suspicion with Mari all along and her obsession with trying to convince the world that CPH was responsible for her daughter's death. I don't know if it's been shared here or if it was only in the court records so I don't want to state anything about the timeline of the phone calls from CPH to Mari other than hinting that the timeline she claims took place may not be entirely true and that her fantasy timeline supports her theory when in fact the real timeline dismisses it. There is an interview out there where she admits part of this but the real truth is in the phone records.

    Does anyone know if Mari's real phone records were reprinted here for all to see the real truth?
     
  20. PennyPie7

    PennyPie7 The Power Of Crime Compels You.

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    To the best of both my knowledge and my memory, I do not believe any of those phone records were ever posted here on websleuths for our viewing. I can't see why they would have been, either.
     

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