NY NY - New York City, BlkMale UP5977, 35-45, in Hudson River, Sep'01

Discussion in 'The Unidentified' started by Snufamonbobball, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    Thoughts everyone? The UID was found in the Hudson River the same day Mr. Lyons went missing. The foreheads on the two really stand out with the same unusual bumpiness. Good on demographics. Good facial similarity. This is another one that seems way too simple. :twocents:

    Ernest Lyons:
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lyons_ernest.html

    http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/images/missing persons/manhattan/mn_ernest_lyons.jpg

    WARNING! MORGUE PHOTOGRAPHS!
    https://identifyus.org/cases/5977

    https://identifyus.org/medias/full/5502
     
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  3. Redbird

    Redbird New Member

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    Really good match. You should report this. Scar on left knee, this must be him.
     
  4. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    I hadn't even noticed the knee thing! I really have to wonder if the cases aren't being updated or something.
     
  5. marycarney

    marycarney Inactive

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    Wow! How has this gone nearly ten years unmatched? The proximity to 9-11 I supposed. This is almost certainly the same guy. Hope so for the sake of his family.
     
  6. lisser

    lisser New Member

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    the lips and eyebrows are exactly the same too.
     
  7. LetJusticePrevail

    LetJusticePrevail New Member

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    Think you'll probably learn you've made a match that will bring this man's family long-awaited closure.
     
  8. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    Well, I see the NamUs file was modified in June of 2010, so I'm going to say he's still unidentified.
     
  9. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Yeah, that's him. They have the same vertical scar above the right (viewer's left) corner of the mouth.

    Dang, Snuf. You're on a roll. :)
     
  10. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    Their foreheads are a match. Each lump and bump are on both. The scar on the left knee, same again. The demographics are spot on. I keep trying to talk myself out of this potential match- it seems hard to imagine this match hasn't been looked into before.
     
  11. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    They also have the same side-by side blemishes on the right (viewer's left) cheekbone.
     
  12. tatertot

    tatertot Member

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    Wow, you've made two very strong matches in two days! I think this will turn out to be the same person and I also think marycarney was correct; the NYPD was most likely forced to set aside this case while they dealt with the recovery mission at the WTC.
     
  13. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    I agree with tatertot. I think you'll find this is a match Snufamonbobball. I'd definatetly submit if you haven't already.
     
  14. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    Mr. Lyons has been submitted. I spoke with a detective regarding him, and this is still an open case, but hopefully not for much longer.

    Fingers Crossed!
     
  15. Shin Masamura

    Shin Masamura Him who is without syntax cast out the 1st pronoun

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    Great job Snufamonbobball!
     
  16. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    I agree with Carl, you are on a roll!!! Wow!!! It has to be a match!!! Great job!
     
  17. someoneschild

    someoneschild New Member

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    Great job! If this is Earnest which I believe it is...his family has been waiting and wondering for so long. His case may have been lost in the piles of people reported missing on 9/11....so sad. Thanks Snuf...so glad you made this match!
     
  18. Snufamonbobball

    Snufamonbobball But O for the touch of the vanished hand & the sou

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    ME told me that this is a possible match they know about already, but they've run into roadblocks in the identification. It's one of the "we know it's him, but we can't prove it 100% -so, it'll remain an open investigation" cases.

    At least we know he's been submitted and they're aware of the cases.
     
  19. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    I wonder what kind of roadblock they could possibly be running into?? It is obviously him. Am I understanding the dates correct in NAMUS? The body was found September 12, 2001 at 12:00 AM, but the case was 'created' in NAMUS September 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM??? Eight years to enter the case into NAMUS??? :waitasec: Oh, Snuf, awesome job, by the way!!!
     
  20. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    One would think that given how recent the cases is and the condition of the body, that all of the identifiers (Dentals, DNA, and Fingerprints) would be avaiable for the UID. However, NamUs indicates that fingerprints aren't available, Dentals are available, but not entered, and DNA is in FBI NMPDD (which is the missing persons and UID component of CODIS).

    It could be that they are unable to locate maternal relatives for a DNA test and cannot locate his dental records. It also might be that he was raised by an adoptive family.

    It's only recently that NYC started inputting all of their UID cases into NamUs.
     
  21. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    Snipped by me... Wow!!! It will never cease to amaze me how many people are missing and how many cases are just not "out there" yet! The internet is a constantly evolving resource, and it is the reason that people like you and Snuf are SO important to the effort to match UID's with Missing People!!! I would LOVE to see a national database that matched UID's with Missing People - and that was searchable by "tattoo's", "scars", "broken bones", "clothing", etc. Big Sigh.... someday when I retire....
     

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