NY NY - Saugerties, WhtMale 405UMNY, 35-45, Omega Sea Master watch, Feb'70

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  1. Wanting2Help

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    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9819

    Status Unidentified
    Case number 3040770
    Date found February 01, 1970
    Date created January 24, 2012
    Date last modified January 25, 2012
    Date QA reviewed January 25, 2012

    Local Medical Examiner/Coroner Contact
    Agency Ulster Cnty Med Examiners Ofc
    Phone 845-340-3323

    Case Manager
    Name James Browne
    Email james.browne@troopers.ny.gov

    Demographics
    Estimated age Adult - Pre 50
    Minimum age 35 years
    Maximum age 45 years
    Race White
    Sex Male
    Weight (pounds) 155, Estimated
    Height (inches) 63, Estimated

    Body Parts Inventory
    All parts recovered

    Recognizable face

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    Probable year of death: 1970 to 1970
    Estimated postmortem interval: Days

    Circumstances
    Location Found
    City Saugerties
    State New York
    Zip code 12477
    County Ulster

    Circumstances of death
    On 02/01/70, an unidentified body was located down an embankment in West Saugerties in the Town of Saugerties, NY (Ulster County). Investigation revealed that the unknown subject was shot .

    Physical
    Hair color Brown
    Head hair Wavy, bald spot on crown
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    No other distinctive body features
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    Fingerprints
    Fingerprint information below

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    Clothing and Accessories
    Clothing and accessories are described below

    Clothing on body: Victim was found wearing a 3/4 length tan-brown reversible raincoat, green suit, white dress shirt, black silk tie with label "Playboy." Undergarments: green shirt (XL) with lable "Rimrock" made in Taiwan, blue cotton pajamas with long sleeves (size 0), white T-shirt, white shorts bearing the label "Sun Valley" made in Korea (Medium)

    Footwear: Black leather shoes (size 8.5), gray socks, black rubber overshoes (Medium) with label "Wings" made in Canada.
    Jewelry Victim was wearing an imitation ruby ring with a gold setting and an Omega Sea Master wrist watch (silver), s/n# 16815714

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    Dental
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    One or more teeth present

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    DNA
    Sample is currently not available (Explain in comments box below)
     
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    http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/search/label/1970

     
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    I can't get the pictures to post ?

    He looks so much like somone I used to know its kind of freaky! His family lives about 2 hours away from where this man was found.
     
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    A new article on this case, including a new sketch of this man....

    http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20160621/police-still-hope-to-crack-46-year-old-cold-case-of-man-found-shot-to-death-in-west-saugerties

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    I wonder if with all their international checking, they ever checked with MA and RI about casualties from the New England gang wars that were going on at the time. At least one group was Portuguese (Cape Verdean and Azorean).
     
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    Interesting that the ruby was paste but the watch was genuine. Those watches currently sell new in the £1,600 - £17,000 range ($2,100 - $22,400) with most in the £4,000 - £6,000 range ($5,200 - $7,900).

    The original image of the man doesn't really reflect the other information about his height and weight, as they suggest a BMI of 27.5 (overweight) while the image suggests significant obesity. The more recent image therefore looks much more likely to be accurate.
     
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    yes I agree about the first image not reflecting what the man looked like.. I reposted the article in the post above and you can see an image of the actual man.. and get a better idea
     
  17. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    Yes, some very interesting details there. Given what was said about the signs of him having fairly modest means, the quality of the watch is even more of an outlier. It makes me wonder why his killer did not take it, eg:

    1. He thought it was distinctive enough for it to be a risk; or
    2. He didn't realise its value, or
    3. He did realise its value but already had one better and it wasn't worth taking.

    It seems possible that this chap had fallen on harder times in the years before his death, and perhaps the watch was the last thing he owned from an earlier, more prosperous period. Or maybe he stole it from someone he killed previously.

    The signs pointing to Portugal are interesting since from the 1930s to the early 1970s Portugal was under a fascist dictatorship and many Portuguese emigrated. As this was before Portugal joined the EEC/EU there were some but limited opportunities for Portuguese to migrate to NW and W Europe, but I imagine plenty made their way to Brazil and to the US directly or indirectly.

    Also, since the Sea Master is described as a diver's watch, it's possible he could have been a diver, military or civilian, and I could imagine them being popular with more senior merchant shipping crew because of them being waterproof. At that time Portugal still had a merchant shipping industry and a number of colonies such as Mozambique, Angola, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Sao Tome e Principal, Equatorial Guinea, Macau and Timor-Leste. There were millions of Portuguese citizens living in those territories until the mid 1970s when most of them left.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    There's a very large settlement of Portuguese, mostly Azores, Cape Verde, and Guinea-Bissau, in south coastal Massachusetts and Rhode Island (primarily the New Bedford area). It's been there since around 1700, with lots of travel back and forth among famlies etc. Many of them are still fishermen and sailors. Many of those people Melmoth mentions leaving in the 1970's came here where they had family and friends.

    It was a pretty depressed area at the time. Still is, relative to the rest of the state.
     

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