Hatfield
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I have to hand it to you and others who were right. This went much deeper than just Tilly having some Willy
NY - Search for escaped convicted killers, David Sweat & Richard Matt, Dannemora #5
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I have to hand it to you and others who were right. This went much deeper than just Tilly having some Willy
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Palmer bail is only 25,000.
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Could Tillie have swiped blueprints from her maintenance worker husband and passed those on along with the tools?
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His attorney said they would post bail and take him out of the media. It's not that high but I don't know what others here think about 25G's
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Something tells me it wawsn't his first time. This one was just ended so much worse than anyone thought. Did he know they were trying to escape?
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Looks like Palmer will be missing some gigs..http://www.thejustusband.com
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OMG
This is like an old fashioned "Night Gallery" episode.
Whoever got a painting ends up in the slammer.
Im wondering who is going to be next. How many people did Matt have working for him.
Him and Sweat were like
-Hacksaw Blades ? - Tilly - Check
-Catwalk access and Pipe Wrench and Screwdrivers - Palmer - Check
-Getaway Car - Tilly - Check
Who else got paintings and did favors?
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This whole debacle is shocking and disappointing to me. I'm not local per se but I have a seasonal place down there ( I say down because I'm up in Canada) and have been going since I was a child. I spend and have spent my summers down there for years- decades really. I am not going down until this whole thing is settled however and it's a darn shame trying to explain to my kids why we can't go to the camp yet this year. I've been making up excuses about work etc... They are too young to be anxious about this kind of stuff. I however am very, and this whole thing has been an eye opener for me. Since I'm not exactly "local, local" maybe somebody who is will chime in.
Let me start by saying that a good chunk of my neighbours down here are CO's or LE. I'd say the majority are. And these are seasonal places for them meaning that they live in Malone, or Plattsburgh, or Altona etc.. And they come down to the cabin on weekends or for summer vacation. Honestly pretty much all of my neighbours here are either LE/CO or are older people from the southern part of the US who have had the camp in their family for generations. Many of the older folk are finding it hard to get up here every summer so there are a lot and I mean a lot of properties for sale around here (Lake Titus, Indian Lake, Mountain View, Chazy, the Upper and Lower Chatauguay lakes etc).
There are so few jobs here that you're really have no other choice but to work in the prisons, in border patrol, State Police or else you work at the Walmart in Malone.
What I have noticed in the past few years and I remarked to my husband last summer how uncomfortable it made me ( he laughed it off as I'm on WS too much) is the increase in methheads in the area. This seems to be becoming a huge problem around here. I remember actually driving up to Malone from our camp in order to get cell service and sitting in the Walmart parking lot and texting my friend how uncomfortable I was feeling and I have never ever felt that way here in the decades that I've been vacationing here. In a way it doesn't surprise me that all these revelations of corruption at Clinton are coming out. I think that despite the beauty and quietness of the area there is a lot of despair here.
Let me start by saying that a good chunk of my neighbours down here are CO's or LE. I'd say the majority are. And these are seasonal places for them meaning that they live in Malone, or Plattsburgh, or Altona etc.. And they come down to the cabin on weekends or for summer vacation. Honestly pretty much all of my neighbours here are either LE/CO or are older people from the southern part of the US who have had the camp in their family for generations. Many of the older folk are finding it hard to get up here every summer so there are a lot and I mean a lot of properties for sale around here (Lake Titus, Indian Lake, Mountain View, Chazy, the Upper and Lower Chatauguay lakes etc).
There are so few jobs here that you're really have no other choice but to work in the prisons, in border patrol, State Police or else you work at the Walmart in Malone.
What I have noticed in the past few years and I remarked to my husband last summer how uncomfortable it made me ( he laughed it off as I'm on WS too much) is the increase in methheads in the area. This seems to be becoming a huge problem around here. I remember actually driving up to Malone from our camp in order to get cell service and sitting in the Walmart parking lot and texting my friend how uncomfortable I was feeling and I have never ever felt that way here in the decades that I've been vacationing here. In a way it doesn't surprise me that all these revelations of corruption at Clinton are coming out. I think that despite the beauty and quietness of the area there is a lot of despair here.
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No kidding. To heck with just a simple movie. At this point we need an HBO blockbuster series.
"Chaos at Clinton Correctional"
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BBM LOL! Or like the movie "The Ring". Palmer even tried to BURY the paintings! Unfortunately, if you view an original Sweat painting, your fate is already sealed. You will soon succumb to the charms of Matt, whose wiles transcend gender lines and any preconceived belief systems.
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I find it strange that he would destroy paintings. Knowing that there is a community of people who collect that kind of stuff...he could have made some nice money for his retirement at some point.
Is it illegal to have that kind of thing? And if it is, why? They clearly give them supplies in order to produce the paintings. What does the prison think they do with them??
Is it illegal to have that kind of thing? And if it is, why? They clearly give them supplies in order to produce the paintings. What does the prison think they do with them??
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Maybe Matt was secretly painting the prison blueprints? (Prison Break tv show reference)
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New activity in the basement.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Escapees-David-Sweat-and-Richard-Matt/page20
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Escapees-David-Sweat-and-Richard-Matt/page20
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The guards had to know Matt was painting. It would be difficult to hide the supplies and wet picture.
Is it against rules to paint in prison? For all the other lax rules in that facility, painting would seem to be okay. Or is it because the brushes could be used as weapons?
Is it against rules to paint in prison? For all the other lax rules in that facility, painting would seem to be okay. Or is it because the brushes could be used as weapons?
Palmer buried paintings in Dannemora?
What does that mean, in the facility, in the tunnels?
Could be typo, and he burned some other paintings/drawings, but did it inside the facility.
You don't burn and even bury the paintings unless you are in DEEP
They were saying tonite paintings and Drawings: The drawings--maps, the tunnels, areas outside the facility
This is Sweat's work, the planner. Erik said David Sweat was the artist. I listened again to his interview w/AC. He drew AND painted them>then, he passed them on to Matt.
If Palmer didn't burn and bury>he'd be charged with a lot more this evening IMO
Even I'm shocked if burying them in Dannemora is accurate
What does that mean, in the facility, in the tunnels?
Could be typo, and he burned some other paintings/drawings, but did it inside the facility.
You don't burn and even bury the paintings unless you are in DEEP
They were saying tonite paintings and Drawings: The drawings--maps, the tunnels, areas outside the facility
This is Sweat's work, the planner. Erik said David Sweat was the artist. I listened again to his interview w/AC. He drew AND painted them>then, he passed them on to Matt.
If Palmer didn't burn and bury>he'd be charged with a lot more this evening IMO
Even I'm shocked if burying them in Dannemora is accurate
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