NY - Shannan Gilbert, 24, Oak Beach, 1 May 2010

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  1. Ladydoc

    Ladydoc New Member

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    ITA. The odds that all of these events would be a series of coincidences is beyond calculation. IMO LE should be looking very closely at the "John" who hired her. From her reported behavior, I suspect she was drugged and had a paradoxical reaction, resulting in paranoid delusional and agitated behavior. Perhaps this was the modus operandi of the killer of all those found nearby. The only difference in shannen's case was that she brought a driver along which may have thrown a kink in the killer's plans. This was not happenstance that she died within feet of all those other poor victims...
     
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  2. Bellaneph

    Bellaneph New Member

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    While, I guess it's technically possible for it to have been a "drug induced psych episode" it makes a lot more sense that it wasn't. I agree with Maggie in that the odds of it being a "coincidence" or some psychotic break is FAR LESS LIKELY than it being the result of a homicide; especially considering what's going on in that area at the moment and the people involved in the occupation Shannon had at the time.

    LE needs to stop wasting time being in denial and start working these cases.
     
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    AmandaReckonwith Defective Detective

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  4. HauntsForHope

    HauntsForHope Southern Sleuther

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    Too Young To Die

    I buried my 17 year old .He disappeared in Jan
    1999, and was last seen begging for help as
    "someone was after him". He didn't wait but kept
    running for the mountains here in Oregon. He was
    listed with national missing children as
    endangered/missing. We learned later that a 29
    year old man had injected our son all night with
    meth, this man's answer as to why is because it was
    better that he ( who my son knew) to shoot him up
    than have a stranger do it . My son's remains were
    found in an orchard here in rural Oregon this past
    June,a year and a half after last seen. A few months
    ago, while gong through my son's Bible, I came
    across the following poem he wrote when he was
    15, the age we have since learned he started using
    meth.

    The Desperate Cry by Tommy Kelly 1997
    What is it worth, what is it worth
    To pay the penalty man put on this Earth,
    Come join me if you dare
    To see the living Hell that is in despair
    Most of my friends think it's a blast
    But I'll tell you a story that didn't make me laugh,
    The pain of pressure on fire,
    It's one Hell of a rush
    A rush that is uncontrollable, when everyone is
    cheering you on!
    Unfortunately, it wasn't that great to see
    What might become my fate
    To be alone is my fear
    And what brings tears to my eyes
    I just pray God hears my desperate cry
    When the time comes to find what will become of me
    I'll just have to be a man
    Hold my chin up high
    Face the music and
    Hold back my cry
    And when it comes to an end
    I'll have a smile or a sigh, but
    Always, always a desperate cry

    http://www.anti-meth.org/stories.html
     
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  5. MorenoI

    MorenoI Active Member

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    Sad how this drug is destroying lives of women, men, and children. It does not care if you are rich, poor, old, or young. Awareness should start at a very early age. JMO
     
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  6. CircuitGuy

    CircuitGuy Active Member

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    Yes. It doesn't make sense she'd seek help from a random stranger and then run away.

    I just saw the ID show. The guy who called the police seemed like a kindly person someone in trouble might be looking for when knocking on a stranger's door in desperation. The guy went out looking for her. If she had just stayed nearby, he could have at least told what happened.

    All this makes me think she had a psychotic episode.
     
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  7. PastTense

    PastTense Well-Known Member

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    http://www.newsday.com/long-island/shannan-gilbert-autopsy-finds-no-drugs-in-her-system-1.9702739

    http://nypost.com/2015/02/20/family-of-slain-escort-crowdfunds-her-funeral/
     
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    PennyPie7 The Power Of Crime Compels You.

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    AmandaReckonwith Defective Detective

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/1...erial-killers-dumping-ground-likely-murdered/

    That finding was called into question Monday, when Dr. Michael Baden, former chief medical examiner of New York City, and a Fox News contributor, examined Gilbert's skeletonized remains inside a Nassau County funeral home at the request of her family.

    Baden observed the hyoid bone -- a small horseshoe-shaped bone in the neck -- had a "rough edge" on one side, suggesting a fracture. He is conducting further testing on the bone and is seeking original crime scene and medical examiner photos and X-rays for analysis. A fracture to the hyoid bone is a hallmark sign of a strangulation.

    "The hyoid shows some breakage," Baden told FoxNews.com. "If it is a fracture, that would be strong evidence Ms. Gilbert was strangled to death by neck compression."

    The 80-year-old coroner, who served as New York City's chief medical examiner in the 1970's, reported other oddities and omissions from the original autopsy reports.

    Much more at link.
     
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  11. MzOpinion8d

    MzOpinion8d Former Member

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    Someone is protecting someone in that case. RIP Shannon, and all the other victim's.
     
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    AmandaReckonwith Defective Detective

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  13. kdj997

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    Sounds like she was high as bat turds. Seriously. I suspect this happened. She got high on a stimulant most likely smoked, coke or meth probably with the unemployed financial worker. This is after weeks of getting high so it built up in her system and she got drug psychosis. She got drug psychosis in the wrong part of the country cause the rural area was a magnet to psychos. Think Tom and Jerry. This woman screaming and acting like a maniac was a beacon for the psycho and ot was like Jerry running in Tom's mouth. She ran right in to the killer. Irony is she was afraid the shadow people was gonna kill her and caused herself to become a target for one of the many psychos dumping bodies in the area.
     
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  14. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    BBM... You might want to see the recent news reports regarding Dr Baden's autopsy.

    “There is no evidence whatsoever that Shannan Gilbert died from a drug overdose, and there is no evidence whatsoever that Shannan Gilbert died from drowning.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/1...ork-beach-likely-strangled-dr-baden-says.html



    Yes, there's a WS thread (actually several threads) related to Shannan Gilbert, located here:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?445-Long-Island-Serial-Killer
     
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  15. Shutterfly

    Shutterfly New Member

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    FYI.....Shutterfly started a thread with the above quoted post in December of 2010.

    Sent from my LG-D415 using Tapatalk
     
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  16. kemo

    kemo Well-Known Member

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    Most likely she died of hypothermia.
     
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  17. kdj997

    kdj997 Former Member

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    what caused a healthy woman who wasn't an invalid to just die of hypothermia when she wasnt obstructed from anything and 100 yards from where she was last seen during a psychotic episode? It's not likely.
     
  18. kdj997

    kdj997 Former Member

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    Here's my take on what happened based on known evidence:

    She was veey high and ran in to the muderer who lives in the area. Again it was like Jerry running in to Toms mouth since she was so loud and a dream target for the killer anyway. I suspect he raped her and fearing the police were near or someone was closing in he over powered her and drowned her. The reason he couldn't follow the M.O is due to it not being planned. That seem to throw off the incompetent police force most likely. If you take a second to use common sense a lot of these crimes can be solved but smarts isn't a strong suit in a lot of these rubberstamped detectives who just receive tenure promotions and aren't qualified and investigators. It's scary if you're a victim of related to a victim cause most likely youre gonna get inspector Clouseau or barney fife instead of sherlock holmes or joe kinda
     
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    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Since there is no known evidence that SG spent weeks getting high, my common sense doesn't quite lead me in the same direction as yours.
     
  20. kdj997

    kdj997 Former Member

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    The lifestyle indicates that's a possibility and her behavior. So to a real investigator it's not voodoo or magic it's a logical assumption based on the evidence and until it's disproven or replaced by other evidence did it's certainly reasonable to assume that's possible.
     
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