GUILTY NY - Shanta Myers, 36, Brandi Mells, 22, & 2 kids slain, Troy, 26 Dec 2017 *Arrests*

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  1. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    https://twitter.com/SPECNewsAlbany


    @SPECNewsAlbany
    3m3 minutes ago

    Tedesco: 'It's our belief' the murders in Troy occurred on Dec. 21.


    @SPECNewsAlbany
    5m5 minutes ago

    Abelove: Public defender representing James White; conflict defender representing Justin Mann.


    @SPECNewsAlbany
    10m10 minutes ago

    Tedesco: 'The major reports of the investigation centered on technological devices, if you will.'
     


  2. jdrive

    jdrive New Member

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    Yes. One of the subsections for 1st degree murder is for multiple victims. He also indicated that charges might change at grand jury.
     
  3. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    Its a little confusing to me too on the 1st degree and 2nd degree charges. I think the charges will likely be modified once they are able to find more details. Seems 1st degree would be appropriate in all the murders.
     
  4. What is a conflict defender? (Too lazy to Google.)
     
  5. Jasper52

    Jasper52 Well-Known Member

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    "Private attorneys may represent indigent clients in felony matters in local criminal courts where the concerned county public defender's office has a conflict of interest and cannot represent a client."

    https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/conflict-defender/
     
  6. Vail

    Vail Justice for Kara & Jessica

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    [FONT=&amp]Private attorneys may represent indigent clients in felony matters in local criminal courts where the concerned county public defender's office has a conflict of interest and cannot represent a client. Sometimes these attorneys are appointed by the concerned conflict defender offices in a county. For example in New York's Monroe County there is the Office of the Conflict Defender and Assigned Counsel Plan that has a panel of attorneys who may represent such litigants. Legal representation and a fair trial is ensured for these clients by the conflict defender's office. The assigned counsels may be private attorneys with panel membership. A court may order the appointment of a conflict defender for a litigant.

    tl;dr If there is a conflict of interest with the public defender's office, the conflict defender takes over.[/FONT]
     
  7. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Psychopath.
     
  8. Spot on!
     
  9. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    Legal Definition of Murder in New York and several other states:

    Second Degree Murder: Any premeditated murder or felony murder that does not involve special circumstances.

    First Degree Murder: Not only is the murder premeditated, but it also involves special circumstances, such as

    - murder of a police officer, judge, fireman or witness to a crime;

    - multiple murders; and

    - torture or especially heinous murders.

    Note that under this legal system, a "regular" premeditated murder, without such special circumstances, is not a first-degree murder
    ; nor are murders by poison or "lying in wait" per se first-degree murders.


    https://www.diffen.com/difference/First_Degree_Murder_vs_Second_Degree_Murder
     
  10. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    Could also be bc one of the victims was tortured before being viciously murdered

    That is also one of the special circumstances in NYS for charge of Murder in First
     
  11. epiphany

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    <snip> Misplaced trust

    Family members were happy when Mells and her mother moved to Troy, where one of her three brothers lived, because they thought she would be safe there. Now, Mells' uncle Keith McCutchen said he fears his optimistic niece placed her trust in the wrong person.

    "She kind of saw things through rose-colored glasses," her uncle said. He added that Mells was born with achondroplasia, a genetic condition that results in dwarfism, and always saw the best in people, in the hopes they'd do the same with her.

    "She was always smiling and laughing to let people know, 'I'm like everybody else,'" Keith McCutchen recalled during a phone interview Friday. "She was too nice to a fault and that's what bothers me."

    http://m.timesunion.com/news/article/Victory-Christian-Church-bumps-reward-to-10K-for-12461785.php


    @SPECNewsAlbany
    1h1 hour ago

    #TroyNY Police Chief John Tedesco: One of the suspects in the quadruple homicide was acquainted with one of the victims.

    https://twitter.com/SPECNewsAlbany


    Just speculating, but the younger adult victim may have been an acquaintance of one of the perps
     
  12. Gardenista

    Gardenista Well-Known Member

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    This is so sad :(
     
  13. Ajmommy

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    Just absolutely disgusted by one of the suspect’s reply to the question” do you have anything to say to the family? “.

    Evil. Pure evil.
     
  14. Midge Montana

    Midge Montana Well-Known Member

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    Glad to see arrests so quickly.
    May justice be swift.
     
  15. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    Even if the temperature were warmer & more comfortable, that perp def has ICE running through his veins
     
  16. jdrive

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    To clarify, the prosecutor at the press conference said the charges presented at arraignment were the ones chosen by police for probable cause purposes, and that the single charge of 1st degree murder was under the subsection for multiple victims. He added that charges could change (as they often do) once the case is presented to a grand jury for indictment.

    As someone else already noted, NY does not use the concept of premeditation to differentiate 1st and 2nd murder murder. Instead, an intentional homicide is 1st degree if one of several special circumstances is present, including multiple victims. Here's the statute if anyone is interested. There's a subsection for homicides committed in an "especially cruel and wanton manner pursuant to a course of conduct intended to inflict and inflicting torture." Murder for hire and the killing of a witness are also covered.

    http://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-125-27.html
     
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    Now we know who...but why why why???


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