GUILTY NY - Shanta Myers, 36, Brandi Mells, 22, & 2 kids slain, Troy, 26 Dec 2017 *Arrests*

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Both men were reported to have residences. They were questioned and arrested at the Hamilton St location (Mann's).

Mann, 24, of 627 Hamilton St. and White, 38, of 850 Albany St. pleaded not guilty in Troy City Court as several family members of the victims looked on.

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/2-arrested-in-killing-of-Troy-family-12463374.php

~jmo~

I've seen a few cases where transients will use an address as a "mailing address" but not actually live there.
A friend's parent, cousin, allows them to use the address. I wonder if that might have been the case here?
Obviously they went to the address as well, but maybe didn't actually reside there.
 

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I’d be interested in knowing more about JWs prior Felony B Manslaughter conviction in the Bronx.


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850 Albany st looks like a shop with living space above it maybe.
 

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Probably, huh? That's definitive.

I believe what the poster was stating is this is not a definitive marijuana related correlation to the shootings. I don’t know where you live however marijuana is like a beer where I live . Only considered a drug in the same manner as alcohol. I understand it’s different in many states .
I’m confident this tragic murder was not over weed.


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I believe what the poster was stating is this is not a definitive marijuana related correlation to the shootings. I don’t know where you live however marijuana is like a beer where I live . Only considered a drug in the same manner as alcohol. I understand it’s different in many states .
I’m confident this tragic murder was not over weed.


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I read back... It appeared to me someone was making an assumption that this was about marijuana, someone called them out, and there was an article offered as some sort of "proof" that people are getting taken out over weed like, daily, don't you know, because, you know, the crimes in the article were "probably" about weed.
I'm in complete agreement that there's nothing to indicate this crime has a bag of weed at its core.
 

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I brought up the possibility of weed being motive, I did not post a link to any articles. AGAIN I’m sorry if I offended anyone. Let me explain why I even brought it up as a possibility. On Brandi’s Facebook page she has posted pictures of weed. I am from Texas where it is still illegal. It’s not as easy to get as alcohol here. I don’t know the laws in New York. I am not saying there is anything wrong with smoking weed and am not trying to offend. As it’s been posted I guess this is touchy because the victims were black lesbians. I don’t care about that and would treat this like any other case. I am not being racist or homophobic. I’m just going over possibilities.


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Here are just a few of the news articles that depict people being murdered over marijuana in the past 1-2 years. There are many more. It does happen. Not saying this is the case but I was asked to show proof that people were killed over weed. Happens way more than you think

Man killed over marijuana
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/gilbert-man-murdered-for-marijuana-two-men-arrested-9911038
Entire family murdered believed to be over marijuana selling
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ana-business&usg=AOvVaw0_CdgchTyGxUDr-Xbm9Io7
Teen killed over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...na-deal/amp/&usg=AOvVaw1i5ZNzQAl2yPFH2imh0oFH
Girl killed over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ft-cops/amp/&usg=AOvVaw2ZYzhK1XkbTosgec8DW8sy
Man killed over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...an-nuys/amp/&usg=AOvVaw3AW64g4xKjF3DTlwOdwk63
Teen killed over marijuana
http://wqad.com/2016/08/02/family-says-marijuana-deal-lead-to-15-year-olds-murder/amp/
Man murdered over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...fe-sentence/&usg=AOvVaw1oYJyOK-D4QoAPnW_Tt17w
Man killed over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...er-marijuana&usg=AOvVaw3iD0HlLjldJIm0BYS7Vap_
Man killed over marijuana
http://amp.wsbtv.com/news/local/dek...uana-infused-edibles-while-sleeping/626071182
Man killed over marijuana
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/...54164f2a-0042-533c-81c0-2fc3dec2be61.amp.html
Two men killed over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ty/490745881&usg=AOvVaw2ySRxnZ2T00TL34OkujYUT
Man killed over marijuana
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...b62a941.html&usg=AOvVaw2W2oPbxMGGnI1us6GZythd


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Here's another article with more details about the two past crimes that the suspects served time for: https://dailygazette.com/article/2018/01/02/troy-murder-suspects-past-comes-into-focus

I have to say that the description of James White's previous crime is eerie in context of the current murders IMO.

I agree it sounds similar.. creepy. So maybe he’s just a psychopath who likes to kill. Maybe like someone else posted, he wanted to stay with the victims and they told him no which caused him to go into an angry frenzy. From the article it does seem like he was homeless very recently and had been for awhile.


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But the kids? Would killing children elevate status... or just make the perps look cowardly and sloppy?

No, killing children usually reduces status (at least in the good olde days) as it violates an unwritten code that nearly all criminals have which forbids harming children in the course of a crime etc.

I think that multiple attackers in a potential over kill violence situation can yield two broad results:

- Potential for over kill violence is reduced as one of the assailants refuses to participate in it for what ever reason ( violates his criminal code of conduct, or simply does not think it is warranted on this occasion).

- Potential for overkill violence is increased as the multiple assailants become a mini "lynch mob". The assailants feed of off each other violence wise and violence increases to sickening levels. Also, multiple assailants allows each participant to only have a partial role in the totality of the violence, thus making some actions easier to self justify.
 

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Life is cheap to some people. Murders have happened over billions of dollars, and over issues as trifling as "he looked at me wrong." Murders have happened with no motive at all, simply because Life Is Cheap to some people. There isn't necessarily a motive, and if there is (and we ever find out), it's not necessarily anything that is going to make sense to us. We're all here because we think that every life is precious, that every life counts. But if life wasn't cheap to some people, there would be no need for a Websleuths. Arguing that this crime would or would never happen over a small amount of marijuana, or because someone would or would not kill children over a small amount of money, or drugs, or because the moon was full or whatever, ignores the fact that murders happen all the time, to victims of all ages, simply because life is cheap to some people. There's no "code of conduct" for criminals, no minimum $ limit or ethical boundary or internal logic that applies across the board. You can't really use "the mindset of reasonable people who are interested in justice to the point that they frequent Websleuths" as the standard for what a criminal would or wouldn't do or think. Of course it doesn't make sense to us that someone might kill a family for a small amount of money, or a small amount of drugs--because none of us would ever think of doing such a thing. When the motive does become public, whatever it is, it will seem small, and petty, and incomprehensible to us, because we're not people who would ever deliberately kill someone for any reason short of self-defense.

Now, I'm not saying that this crime had anything to do with any amount of money or drugs; I haven't been following this case particularly closely, and I don't have any particular opinion. But it does drive me crazy when people say, "Oh, no one would kill a whole family over something like that," or "no one is getting murdered over small amounts of pot/alcohol/jealousy/a new pair of shoes/such a small life insurance policy/because the murderer was having a bad hair day*, etc." Because people of all ages are killed all the time any number of reasons that are incomprehensible to reasonable people. For others, the lives of four people are, in fact, worth less than a dime bag of pot. That very well may not be the case here--but it's the case to someone, somewhere. That's the reason it's often most productive to talk in terms of statistical probabilities rather than absolutes.

Confession: I do sometimes feel murderous over a particularly bad hair day.
 

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Life is cheap to some people. Murders have happened over billions of dollars, and over issues as trifling as "he looked at me wrong." Murders have happened with no motive at all, simply because Life Is Cheap to some people. There isn't necessarily a motive, and if there is (and we ever find out), it's not necessarily anything that is going to make sense to us. We're all here because we think that every life is precious, that every life counts. But if life wasn't cheap to some people, there would be no need for a Websleuths. Arguing that this crime would or would never happen over a small amount of marijuana, or because someone would or would not kill children over a small amount of money, or drugs, or because the moon was full or whatever, ignores the fact that murders happen all the time, to victims of all ages, simply because life is cheap to some people. There's no "code of conduct" for criminals, no minimum $ limit or ethical boundary or internal logic that applies across the board. You can't really use "the mindset of reasonable people who are interested in justice to the point that they frequent Websleuths" as the standard for what a criminal would or wouldn't do or think. Of course it doesn't make sense to us that someone might kill a family for a small amount of money, or a small amount of drugs--because none of us would ever think of doing such a thing. When the motive does become public, whatever it is, it will seem small, and petty, and incomprehensible to us, because we're not people who would ever deliberately kill someone for any reason short of self-defense.

Now, I'm not saying that this crime had anything to do with any amount of money or drugs; I haven't been following this case particularly closely, and I don't have any particular opinion. But it does drive me crazy when people say, "Oh, no one would kill a whole family over something like that," or "no one is getting murdered over small amounts of pot/alcohol/jealousy/a new pair of shoes/such a small life insurance policy/because the murderer was having a bad hair day*, etc." Because people of all ages are killed all the time any number of reasons that are incomprehensible to reasonable people. For others, the lives of four people are, in fact, worth less than a dime bag of pot. That very well may not be the case here--but it's the case to someone, somewhere. That's the reason it's often most productive to talk in terms of statistical probabilities rather than absolutes.

Confession: I do sometimes feel murderous over a particularly bad hair day.

Well written and very true.


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I brought up the possibility of weed being motive, I did not post a link to any articles. AGAIN I’m sorry if I offended anyone. Let me explain why I even brought it up as a possibility. On Brandi’s Facebook page she has posted pictures of weed. I am from Texas where it is still illegal. It’s not as easy to get as alcohol here. I don’t know the laws in New York. I am not saying there is anything wrong with smoking weed and am not trying to offend. As it’s been posted I guess this is touchy because the victims were black lesbians. I don’t care about that and would treat this like any other case. I am not being racist or homophobic. I’m just going over possibilities.

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Weed is easy to find if you are a weed smoker, anywhere in the US, hell anywhere in the world.

People kill because they want to or have no control. Not because they want some grass.
 

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Grand jury meets in quadruple homicide; funeral Saturday for Myers family

A Rensselaer County grand jury heard testimony Wednesday about the killing of two women and two children in a Lansingburgh apartment...
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The panel is meeting at the Rensselaer County Court House a day before the accused killers, Justin C. Mann, 24, and James W. White, 38, are scheduled to have a preliminary hearing Thursday in City Court.
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Court officials said they anticipate that District Attorney Joel Abelove's office will notify them Thursday morning that there is grand jury action and the afternoon preliminary hearing will be canceled.
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It is expected that prosecutors will ask grand jurors to file additional charges against the two men...

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Please check the above article for details about services for Brandi. My omission of the relevant quote reflected my attempt to keep to the 10% rule.

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I have no idea what the motive in this case was. I also have zero issue with weed.

However I can think of three recent cases of murder/child murder/multiple murder over weed.

Kaytlynn - 14 - beaten to death with a hammer and ended up in a landfill.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...nn-Cargill-14-Bedford-19-June-2017-4-*Arrest*

Shavon Randle - 13 - abducted and shot to death over her cousin's boyfriends stealing drugs

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...8-June-2017-*Arrests*&highlight=shavon+randle

4 young men murdered and buried on farm over marijuana deal

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...o-5-9-July-2017-8-*Arrests*&highlight=dinardo

Life is cheap to some people. Murders have happened over billions of dollars, and over issues as trifling as "he looked at me wrong." Murders have happened with no motive at all, simply because Life Is Cheap to some people. There isn't necessarily a motive, and if there is (and we ever find out), it's not necessarily anything that is going to make sense to us. We're all here because we think that every life is precious, that every life counts. But if life wasn't cheap to some people, there would be no need for a Websleuths. Arguing that this crime would or would never happen over a small amount of marijuana, or because someone would or would not kill children over a small amount of money, or drugs, or because the moon was full or whatever, ignores the fact that murders happen all the time, to victims of all ages, simply because life is cheap to some people. There's no "code of conduct" for criminals, no minimum $ limit or ethical boundary or internal logic that applies across the board. You can't really use "the mindset of reasonable people who are interested in justice to the point that they frequent Websleuths" as the standard for what a criminal would or wouldn't do or think. Of course it doesn't make sense to us that someone might kill a family for a small amount of money, or a small amount of drugs--because none of us would ever think of doing such a thing. When the motive does become public, whatever it is, it will seem small, and petty, and incomprehensible to us, because we're not people who would ever deliberately kill someone for any reason short of self-defense.

Now, I'm not saying that this crime had anything to do with any amount of money or drugs; I haven't been following this case particularly closely, and I don't have any particular opinion. But it does drive me crazy when people say, "Oh, no one would kill a whole family over something like that," or "no one is getting murdered over small amounts of pot/alcohol/jealousy/a new pair of shoes/such a small life insurance policy/because the murderer was having a bad hair day*, etc." Because people of all ages are killed all the time any number of reasons that are incomprehensible to reasonable people. For others, the lives of four people are, in fact, worth less than a dime bag of pot. That very well may not be the case here--but it's the case to someone, somewhere. That's the reason it's often most productive to talk in terms of statistical probabilities rather than absolutes.

Confession: I do sometimes feel murderous over a particularly bad hair day.
 
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