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No, not IMO. There HAD to be someone minding the getaway bike. It 100% would have been stolen while the perp stalked his target. With your theory, he would have had to have shot him, unlocked the bike, retrieved the battery from his backpack, attached it, and driven off. NO WAY that was in the plan. That bike had to be waiting and ready to go after the murder.
Yep I think you’re right. He would’ve need to <mod edit to "get away"> immediately, no time to mess around with retrieving/attaching the battery which can be a pain. The plot thickens! I definitely think someone told him BT was leaving the hotel. The way he went from chilling in Starbucks to shooting him did not feel like a lucky coincidence in time. Especially because he’d been staking it out for ten days.
 
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Regarding the Hostel ID questions - I've traveled through dozens of hostels worldwide. If you're not from the country where you're checking in, you need to show your passport(sometimes they keep it until you check out). But, if you reside in that country you can just show your local ID. For instance, an Italian from Milan can show local ID at a hostel in Rome. In this case I read that the killer showed a (fake) New Jersey DL and paid cash. A New York hostel would not require an American to show a passport. So the woman that checked him in, and reportedly flirted asking him to remove the mask, thought the NJ DL was valid identification. She believed he was an American from NJ.
I do wish they had shared whether or whether not the hostel worker had recognized an accent. Even if she only needed the single NJ id....she could have recognized an accent.
I guess we will know, eventually
 
Yep I think you’re right. He would’ve need to <mod edit to "get away"> immediately, no time to mess around with retrieving/attaching the battery which can be a pain. The plot thickens! I definitely think someone told him BT was leaving the hotel. The way he went from chilling in Starbucks to shooting him did not feel like a lucky coincidence in time. Especially because he’d been staking it out for ten days.
exactly, there was someone at BT's hotel, I think the same guy who he met at the Rock 47-50 stop to handoff. The perp went one stop North and the accomplice walked, with the battery, to BT hotel, as soon as BT left his hotel, the accomplice took the bike to the getaway spot where he minded the bike until the murder was done. I assume LE has scoured the Rock Center B/F platform because that is where the handoff HAD to happen for them both to get into position. And like I said, the perp got on the northbound F one stop. And the accomplice HAD to have walked to BT with battery. No way to take subway, he had to have walked
 
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We do not know.
But why?'i am having trouble figuring out WHY they don't know where he got on the bus.
Just seems that if the have the bus, they could track his entry point.
Hope someone will help explain.!
Someone posted the list of stops on that route between Atlanta and NYC so I guess they’re reviewing the footage from all those stops.

I can’t help but wonder if the whole coming from Atlanta thing is a red herring (along with the wrappers, water bottle, phone) and he started there to throw them off. Or he’s just a sloppy killer who has been lucky!
 
exactly, there was someone at BT's hotel, I think the same guy who he met at the Rock 47-50 stop to handoff. The perp went one stop North and the accomplice walked, with the battery, to BT hotel, as soon as BT left his hotel, the accomplice took the bike to the getaway spot where he minded the bike until the murder was done. I assume LE has scoured the Rock Center B/F platform because that is where the handoff HAD to happen for them both to get into position. And like I said, the perp got on the northbound F one stop. And the accomplice HAD to have walked to BT with battery. No way to take subway, he had to have walked
And I'll add that I would bet any amount the BT stayed at one of the Marriotts on 54st, west of the Hilton. I believe there are two very close to each other, I have stayed at the Residence Inn, I think there is also a nicer one a few doors down, Both very close the the Hilton
 
My job had me at that Hilton for 4 weeks a year every year for 25 years...as a New Yorker I know that area extremely well. Here is why there HAS to be an accomplice and also an odd head scratcher re the 57th st F stop. According to the timeline the perp was seen at 5am carrying an e-bike battery from the Douglas houses on 103st/west side. He is next seen exiting the F stop at 57st. He MUST have rendezvoused with the accomplice to handoff the battery (why?). BUT, him exiting the F street 57st stop makes NO SENSE. Was the battery pick up a last minute glitch? Did the accomplice find out last minute that the bike battery was dead? In order for him to exit the F train stop (which is a weird small stop btw) he would have had to first take a B train SOUTH from 103 st to 47-50 Rockefeller center (HUGE stop that sprawls underground for 3 blocks) and handed off the battery there. But why not just exit that station and go to the Hilton? Why then go the one stop north to the 57 st station? Maybe the handoff was on the platform? It's really perplexing. I assume LE is perplexed by this too. The timeline does not allow non-subway transit down from 103st. He had to hand off the battery. I can't imagine them handing off at Rock Center stop bc of the sheer number of cameras, but that had to happen that way to get him to the weird F/57st station, where he exited without the battery. There is no other way, the that timeline: 5am at 103st walk to CPW wait for train, hand off (I think it HAD to be at the Rock center stop) then wait for another train and get off at 57st...that takes a while especially bc the trip from 103 is a local train, a lot of stops. Would they be that dumb to do the handoff at Rock center stop? Why didn't he just emerge from that station and walk to the Hilton, it's just about equidistant from the F train stop. Maybe they exchanged at on the platform because going to the concourse has too many cameras. I think that's it.
Thanks for these thoughts and insights.

I am hoping someone can make a schematic of this ..mmm
 
exactly, there was someone at BT's hotel, I think the same guy who he met at the Rock 47-50 stop to handoff. The perp went one stop North and the accomplice walked, with the battery, to BT hotel, as soon as BT left his hotel, the accomplice took the bike to the getaway spot where he minded the bike until the murder was done. I assume LE has scoured the Rock Center B/F platform because that is where the handoff HAD to happen for them both to get into position. And like I said, the perp got on the northbound F one stop. And the accomplice HAD to have walked to BT with battery. No way to take subway, he had to have walked
It’s great to have your insight as someone who really knows the area. Do you think it would’ve been super easy for him to change clothes/appearance in Central Park and essentially disappear into the subway etc?
 
Someone posted the list of stops on that route between Atlanta and NYC so I guess they’re reviewing the footage from all those stops.

I can’t help but wonder if the whole coming from Atlanta thing is a red herring (along with the wrappers, water bottle, phone) and he started there to throw them off. Or he’s just a sloppy killer who has been lucky!

I have difficulty understanding the Atlanta bus. Something just doesn't sit right.
 
It’s great to have your insight as someone who really knows the area. Do you think it would’ve been super easy for him to change clothes/appearance in Central Park and essentially disappear into the subway etc?
yes, CP is huge, there are a ton of places to go "off road" and there are no cameras. The accomplice would have had to have jumped on a subway, (while the perp was escaping the crime scene) to then have rendezvoused AGAIN in CP. Off the top of my head, the accomplice would have had to have taken a west side train, that dropped him off at one of the CPW stops, if I had to plan it, and I was going to take a plane out of the country post murder...the plan would be for the Accomplie to get on at the 7th ave B stop, get off at the 96st B stop, get the Ebike from the perp, then the Perp jumps on the A train and takes it all the way to JFK.
 
yes, CP is huge, there are a ton of places to go "off road" and there are no cameras. The accomplice would have had to have jumped on a subway, (while the perp was escaping the crime scene) to then have rendezvoused AGAIN in CP. Off the top of my head, the accomplice would have had to have taken a west side train, that dropped him off at one of the CPW stops, if I had to plan it, and I was going to take a plane out of the country post murder...the plan would be for the Accomplie to get on at the 7th ave B stop, get off at the 96st B stop, get the Ebike from the perp, then the Perp jumps on the A train and takes it all the way to JFK.
Well it would explain arriving 10 days early to plan for sure!
 
yes, CP is huge, there are a ton of places to go "off road" and there are no cameras. The accomplice would have had to have jumped on a subway, (while the perp was escaping the crime scene) to then have rendezvoused AGAIN in CP. Off the top of my head, the accomplice would have had to have taken a west side train, that dropped him off at one of the CPW stops, if I had to plan it, and I was going to take a plane out of the country post murder...the plan would be for the Accomplie to get on at the 7th ave B stop, get off at the 96st B stop, get the Ebike from the perp, then the Perp jumps on the A train and takes it all the way to JFK.
and I'll add that, it seems like the Douglas houses, where he picked up the E-bike battery was most likely just the guy who rented them the E-bike..and I assume they had to drop that bike off at the Douglas houses and the 96st stop is convenient to get the bike back to whoever they rented it from, or borrowed it from.
 
Well it would explain arriving 10 days early to plan for sure!
yes, which also begs the question...how much were they getting paid? It must have been a lot. But staying in NYC for that long is not smart with all the cameras. It's just all kind of odd. On the one hand, they pulled it off thus far with a relatively tight plan. But to do this in NYC is utterly low odds of NOT being caught. Good execution of an awful plan.
 
yes, CP is huge, there are a ton of places to go "off road" and there are no cameras. The accomplice would have had to have jumped on a subway, (while the perp was escaping the crime scene) to then have rendezvoused AGAIN in CP. Off the top of my head, the accomplice would have had to have taken a west side train, that dropped him off at one of the CPW stops, if I had to plan it, and I was going to take a plane out of the country post murder...the plan would be for the Accomplie to get on at the 7th ave B stop, get off at the 96st B stop, get the Ebike from the perp, then the Perp jumps on the A train and takes it all the way to JFK.
It sounds like he, or an accomplice would have to be local or very familiar with the subway routes? Or I suppose ten days of planning could help, but with cameras I would guess such repetitive movements would be easy to pick up by now. Seems the movement and timing here is complicated.

One thing I’m not understanding. Why did an e-bike battery need to be picked up and dropped off at all, why isn’t it with the bike? Is the bike locked up somewhere and either dead or is just missing its battery?

I guess the thinking here is that perp hands off battery to accomplice. Perp goes in direction of Hilton. Accomplice goes in direction of e-bike location, prepares it for perp. Accomplice and perp handoff items somewhere in Central Park. Accomplice and perp go separate ways?
 
It sounds like he, or an accomplice would have to be local or very familiar with the subway routes? Or I suppose ten days of planning could help, but with cameras I would guess such repetitive movements would be easy to pick up by now. Seems the movement and timing here is complicated.

One thing I’m not understanding. Why did an e-bike battery need to be picked up and dropped off at all, why isn’t it with the bike? Is the bike locked up somewhere and either dead or is just missing its battery?

I guess the thinking here is that perp hands off battery to accomplice. Perp goes in direction of Hilton. Accomplice goes in direction of e-bike location, prepares it for perp. Accomplice and perp handoff items somewhere in Central Park. Accomplice and perp go separate ways?
Yes to all. And I asked the same question about picking up the battery. And I concluded it was an unplanned glitch and they had to pick up a second battery bc the first one died. And I also am starting to change my theory as I work this all out. I'll post on a fresh comment. But, bc of all this familiarity with the subway etc, I agree, more here than I thought.
 
They have at least one detail wrong here. Victim was shot where my pink arrow points here:

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Your pink arrow is off by a bit. The shooting was by the side street entrance to the Hilton and that side street entrance is much closer to sixth avenue (about where the fifth horizontal dot from the right is.)
 
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