NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #7 *Arrest*

[acutename]

It's interesting to me that at such a young age he had major surgery thousands of miles away from his family.

do not understand where it was performed actually

 

[soap mama]

So
Was he at the McDonald's as part of his Bus Tour? Or was he off the busses by then?

 

[OneLove]

It's interesting to me that at such a young age he had major surgery thousands of miles away from his family.

May have been forced to depending on his insurance. Out of network is a thing. And we don't know what his family members restrictions were either.

 

[azure]

Gift article

Suspect in C.E.O. Killing Withdrew From a Life of Privilege and Promise

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, was an Ivy League tech graduate from a prominent Maryland family who in recent months had suffered physical and psychological pain.

www.nytimes.com

Two particularly interesting quotes:
"In July, one man tagged a social media account that appeared to belong to Mr. Mangione and said that he hadn’t heard from him in months. “You made commitments to me for my wedding and if you can’t honor them I need to know so I can plan accordingly,” the man wrote in a now-deleted post"

...

"Still, Mr. Martin said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a young man yearning for a normal lifestyle. “He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,” Mr. Martin said. “I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”"

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I also want to add that I bet that Luigi could have had meaningful talks with Brian. who was said to be the nicest guy. I bet Brian would have listened to his concerns.

JMO.

RSBM for focus.

I'm not so sure. Brian was instrumental in advocating for the AI system with a 90% error rate that denied service to UHC customers.

It takes no effort on my part at all to imagine him saying, "Sorry dude, but we have to take care of our shareholders."

This is a thought experiment and I by no means think Brian deserved to be murdered.

I have no doubt he was a great guy to the people who knew him personally, but ruthless in maximizing UHC profits to the detriment of sick people. JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I don’t know much about this site. What does DBM mean? I have seen it several times.

DBM = Deleted By Me since we don't have a way to delete our posts, only edit them (within 59 minutes). So we do that if we want to delete something we've said. Here is a good place to see some of our acronyms:

Thread 'Abbreviations and Acronyms LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION'

Aug 2, 2008

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Now and then we have to remember with as many new members we have that our every day lingo becomes like a maze to them. Since people are lost on these and asking...here you go! Seasoned posters can feel free to add their own since I will probably forget half of them.

LE= Law Enforcement
POI= Person Of Interest
COD= Cause Of Death
TOD= Time OF Death
ITA= I Totally Agree
= Piece of (Reserved for a known perp, suspect, or POI)
IIRC= If I Recall Correctly
FWIW= For What Its Worth
COB= The story behind this is on...

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[bestill]

Mangione’s mother made the report to the San Francisco Police Department on Nov. 18, according to a police source with knowledge of the case. It wasn’t immediately clear whether he had been in San Francisco or if she had a reason to believe that he was.

Luigi Mangione reported missing to SFPD weeks before shooting

Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old identified as a “strong person of interest” in last week’s slaying of a health insurance executive on the streets of Manhattan, was reported missing to San Francisco police last month.

sfstandard.com

So many questions! Why SF PD? He was living in Hawaii.Where does Mom live?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I thought he would certainly have very dark or black hair due to the fact that is eyebrows are so dense and dark.

Which makes me very curious as to why he didn't grow a beard to help disguise his appearance.

 

[Gemmie]

So when he was found in the McDonald’s in Pennsylvania he had a computer, but did he also have his phone on him?

So what was the purpose of the burner phone back in NYC?

All I can come up with is someone might have helped him. Hence the need for a phone? I have no evidence of that, it's JMO.

 

[OneLove]

May have been forced to depending on his insurance. Out of network is a thing. And we don't know what his family members restrictions were either.

Depending on his state of residence and his insurance, he may have been restricted to an in-network surgeon & facility
Youth & an independent spirit may have lead him to tell his family "no sweat, in & out, easy peasy, no worries".

 

[kamare]

Here’s the latest on the case.

A law enforcement officer said he was identified by

www.nytimes.com

Andy NewmanMichael Wilson and Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs

Here’s the latest on the case.​

A suspect was charged with murder on Monday in the assassination of the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare in Midtown Manhattan, hours after he was apprehended in Pennsylvania.

Luigi Mangione, 26, has been charged in Manhattan with second-degree murder, according to online court records. He is also charged with three gun charges and forgery.

 

[LadyL]

I would love to know what medications he may have been taking for pain.

this was in 2022 or 2023:

Mr. Mangione did not make a habit of complaining, and did not seem to be on any type of painkilling medication, Mr. Martin said.

Suspect in C.E.O. Killing Withdrew From a Life of Privilege and Promise

The suspect, Luigi Mangione, was an Ivy League tech graduate from a prominent Maryland family who in recent months had suffered physical and psychological pain.

www.nytimes.com

 

[whitelilac]

It's interesting to me that at such a young age he had major surgery thousands of miles away from his family.

Where did he have his surgery. I've not seen that. Hawaii?

 

[Kapua]

This guy could’ve been whatever he wanted he was smart and from a wealthy family and probably had connections and he threw it away. What a waste

It's tragic. Most of us have to scramble for a tiny fraction of what LM was given at birth. He was super intelligent and well-educated and could have been a great entrepreneur and philanthropist. Instead, he shoots a man dead in cold blood like a common street gang member. And he is strikingly handsome, but that doesn't impress me much. He's the 21st Century's Pretty Boy Floyd.

This is one of the most interesting cases I've followed on Websleuths. LM's actions defy logic, but then I suppose I could say the same of the actions of many other criminals. MOO

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

RSBM for focus.

I'm not so sure. Brian was instrumental in advocating for the AI system with a 90% error rate that denied service to UHC customers.

It takes no effort on my part at all to imagine him saying, "Sorry dude, but we have to take care of our shareholders."

This is a thought experiment and I by no means think Brian deserved to be murdered.

I have no doubt he was a great guy to the people who knew him personally, but ruthless in maximizing UHC profits to the detriment of sick people. JMO

I read that Brian was the type that approached all of the employees every day and spoke to them. All executives in private industry have to make tough decisions.

I know that my husband's CEO could be ruthless, but he was a very caring person, too. It comes with the territory. My husband was a top executive and liked by everyone, but I'm sure that the people that he had to fire probably might not think so (even though they knew they were being fired for non-performance).

Luigi was at the top of his class (like Brian was). I could even see Brian wanting to hire him. Luigi was an impressive young man. If you get a chance, do some research on Brian. You might be surprised.

JMO.

 

[Universecalling]

He is at the age where schizophrenia presents itself and one of the early signs of this mental illness is withdrawing from people, apart from the fixation on some obsessive belief, which clearly he had here - so some mental illness is the direction of where my thoughts are leading to at this point.

This is spot on.
There are some studies that link THC with onset of psychiatric disorders, schizophrenia predominantly.
If he self-medicated, or tried other avenues (osteopathy or homeopathy), he made have leaned in to MJ.

 

[Marysmith]

He is at the age where schizophrenia presents itself and one of the early signs of this mental illness is withdrawing from people, apart from the fixation on some obsessive belief, which clearly he had here - so some mental illness is the direction of where my thoughts are leading to at this point.

100% agree!

 

[Seattle1]

This post to confirm that unlike most States using the M'Naghten Rule and the burden of proof is on the defendant, New York uses the Model Penal Code rule (and the burden of proof is on the defendant). In other words, for a well heeled defendant, this is a good thing for the prosecution. JMO

INSANITY
(LACK OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITYBY REASON OF MENTAL DISEASE OR DEFECT)
Penal Law § 40.15

New York State and the insanity defense: Under our law, it is an affirmative defense to the crime(s)charged that, when the defendant engaged in the prohibited conduct, he/she lacked criminal responsibility by reason of mental disease or defect.

... Fifth, with respect to the term “wrong,” a person lacks substantial capacity to know or appreciate that conduct is wrong if that person, as a result of mental disease or defect, lacked substantial capacity to know or appreciate either that the conduct was against the law or that it was against commonly held moral principles, or both.

As I have explained, the defendant has the burden of proving that he/she lacked criminal responsibility by reason of mental disease or defect and he/she must do so by a preponderance of the evidence. I remind you, however, that placing this burden of proof of the affirmative defense on the defendant does not relieve the People of the burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, all the elements of the crime(s)charged.

In this case, one of those elements was (specify element containing culpable mental state; e.g. That the defendant intended to cause the death of ....). The affirmative defense does not transfer to the defendant the burden of proving (specify, e.g. That the defendant did not intend to cause the death of....”) The burden remains on the People to prove (specify, e.g., That the defendant intended to cause the death of...) and to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

In determining whether the People have proven that element beyond a reasonable doubt, you may consider any evidence, psychiatric or otherwise, that relates to the defendant's state of mind at the time of the commission of the crime(s)charged. If you find that the People have not proven that element, or any other element beyond a reasonable doubt, then you must find the defendant not guilty. If you find that the People have proven all the elements beyond a reasonable doubt, then you must consider whether the defendant has proven the affirmative defense by a preponderance of the evidence.

In determining whether the defendant has proven the affirmative defense by a preponderance of the evidence, you may consider evidence introduced by the People or by the defendant, including but not limited to:

Select appropriate alternative(s): ....

https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/1-General/Defenses/CJI2d.Insanity.pdf

 

[Tiff23fr]

Then something changed. In 2023 he was laid off, in a year in which TrueCar cut more than 100 workers. In March that year he stopped posting on X for nine months.

Mangione wouldn’t post again until the early hours of Jan. 24, 2024, when he resurfaced with a flurry of fresh thoughts and new convictions. He broke nine months of silence to herald a new favourite book, one he had read during his digital disappearance: Tim Urban’s What’s Our Problem? A Self-Help Book for Societies (Feb. 2023).

Why Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023 and Returned Transformed

Something happened to Luigi Mangione in 2023. He had been the valedictorian of his private Maryland high school—Gilman, where annual tuition is currently $35,000—graduating in 2016. He was strong, good-looking, and smart: a golden son in a sprawling Baltimore family whose wealth had been built...

www.yahoo.com

 

[caradana]

I wish to add that an unsung hero of tonight, someone whom I believe has gotten absolutely zero credit thus far, is the Altoona 911 dispatcher who received a call like this (paraphrasing, imagined dialogue, not real names, MOO)

Caller: Hello, this is Edna. I work at the McDonalds. My friend Doris is having breakfast here and she thinks she sees the guy who shot the CEO in Manhattan.
911 Operator: I’m sorry, repeat that again, Edna?
Caller: We have an Eyebrowed Assassin at the Mickey Ds. Send the police!

Whatever happened next involved a 911 dispatcher conveying to the blue and white of Altoona that Edna and Doris believe that they have spotted a domestic terrorist, or maybe Ronald McD, and if they could go check that out?

I am sure, SURE, that the police pulled into that parking lot thinking it was Woo-Woo entertainment day with a side of excellent free coffee.

Can you imagine the 60 seconds of brain chemistry fallout that happened once the police realized - Edna and Doris nailed it? IN ALTOONA, of all places.