NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #8 *Arrest*

[Tiff23fr]

"The suspected gunman appeared to make a reference to UnitedHealthcare writing that “United” is one of the largest companies by market capitalization in the United States, according to a law enforcement source who has read the document."

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-death-investigation-12-9-24/index.html

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I live near the locations of his family's business interests, which are quite extensive. With the above quote, along with the higher education institution he attended, and considering too his back surgery, I'd opine that LM was somewhat radicalized in his beliefs, to include a disdain for capitalism. In my opinion, to deny the existence of this anti-capitalist movement in the U.S., and it's possible implications in this murder, is naive. I bet the CEO's of many corporations have noticed.

Radicalization started coming to mind for me as well. In the big picture LM shifts social circles to the other side of the globe. In 2024 he spent time in Japan. He was self funded, foreign currency and passport on hand. I still have a feeling day trading, hacking and/or gambling bubbles up as it relates to Luigi personally.

Why Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023 and Returned Transformed

Something happened to Luigi Mangione in 2023. He had been the valedictorian of his private Maryland high school—Gilman, where annual tuition is currently $35,000—graduating in 2016. He was strong, good-looking, and smart: a golden son in a sprawling Baltimore family whose wealth had been built...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

My understanding: In New York State first degree murder charge is reserved for killing of a law enforcement officer.

Yes, doesn't seem to fit any of the criteria:

Murder in New York law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

First-degree murder​

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First-degree murder is the most serious homicide offense in New York State. It is defined as the intentional killing of a person without justification with one of the following aggravating factors:

• The victim was a police officer, peace officer, correctional employee, judge, or a criminal case witness
• The murder was committed while the perpetrator was serving a life sentence
• The murder was committed with torture of the victim
• The murder was committed as an act of terrorism
• The murder was committed during the commission or attempted commission of one of the felonies under New York's felony murder laws.
• Murder committed for hire (with the charge applying to both the murderer and the person who paid the murderer)

Possibly, maybe it may slide in under terrorism but I'm guessing there is a specific definition which rules it out?

 

[Interested Torontonian]

If his tax filings are up to date, then the address he used on his 2023 return should provide a clue to what he considered his current address.

 

[bestill]

My understanding: In New York State first degree murder charge is reserved for killing of a law enforcement officer.

Thank you.

 

[arielilane]

To quote Abraham Lincoln: “The ballot is stronger than the bullet."

 

[Jamara3]

This is a big question for me as well....
The one picture--the supposed flirting smiling picture--- was SOOO clear.

I wouldn’t have picked him out without his mask and hood/beanie to match any of the images in the news. The hostel photo doesn’t look like him at all to me, though I believe it is. Just a strange and unnatural angle.

With the hood up and the mask on, I would probably match him. Only seeing half the face transforms your imagination of the whole picture. It’s also somewhat alarming to see anyone dressed like that in public if it’s not blindingly cold, so I would take note. Very few people are wearing masks now and it’s a suspicious look with the added hood. It would make me want to cross the street.

They also haven’t seen him in over a year and he seems to have lost a lot of weight. We also can’t assume everyone follows cases as closely as we do, haha. There’s surely some people out there who haven’t heard about any of this. I’m willing to cut them some slack on this.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

Statement from the Mangione Family

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866316563181158481

 

[Sunshynn]

This is a big question for me as well....
The one picture--the supposed flirting smiling picture--- was SOOO clear.

I could, maybe, understand why they didn't 'recognize' him.

You think your relative is in, say, South Carolina living his own life and then you see this picture come out of someone who looks an awful lot like your relative who committed a murder in New York.
But, your relative is in South Carolina and your relative would NEVER commit a murder let alone a murder that has drawn national attention.
It has to be a look alike - everyone has a doppelganger they say.
So you convince yourself that the murderer could not have been your relative.

JMO.

 

[NottaYutz]

From a WaPo article:

Sarah Nehemiah, a producer and researcher who met Mangione when he lived at a Hawaii co-living space in 2022, said it was her understanding that he had a lifelong back injury.

His social media posts indicate a wide range of interests and affinity for books. In April, the X account replied to a post about the destructive potential of technology quoting from the 1932 dystopian novel “Brave New World,” in which human rights are determined by a rigid hierarchy and an all-powerful state imposes control through drugs and technology.

“But I don’t want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin,” the quote reads.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/12/10/who-is-luigi-mangione-shooting-unitedhealthcare-ceo/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3fe14f3%2F67582aeb99654652378d765f%2F5b8ddc9fade4e20f4f42be1a%2F21%2F103%2F67582aeb99654652378d765f

[edited for typo and spacing]

 

[Jamie737]

Every spinal surgeon tells (or should tell) patients that back surgery is not guaranteed to relieve back pain. It does relieve nerve-root pain - the pain that travels down the leg. So many people are disappointed after back surgery to find that they are in just as much pain after as before. I wonder if Luigi (and the screws they used for his surgery are particularly large) was disappointed in the outcome of his surgery and has been trying to get approval for an alternative experimental procedure and been denied.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That would seem somewhat likely.

He's still from a wealthy family, though, so it's not like he's some working bloke who's had his $100k pension wiped out by insider trading.

How do you think this hypothetical working bloke's pension would be wiped out by another person insider dealing?

 

[arielilane]

• Luigi Mangione has been charged with murder following UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's fatal shooting in New York City on Wednesday, Dec. 4
• Friends have revealed that Mangione had been dealing with severe back pain through the years, before going "radio silent" over the summer, per reports
• Mangione underwent surgery for his back pain last year, according to the New York Times

Luigi Mangione Had 'Debilitating' Back Pain, Went 'Radio Silent' to Friends Before Healthcare CEO Shooting: Reports

Luigi Mangione, the man charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, suffered from bad back pain and had gone 'radio silent' from friends over the summer, according to reports.

people.com

12/10/2024

 

[Sincerely]

My understanding: In New York State first degree murder charge is reserved for killing of a law enforcement officer.

I wonder if the difference in sentencing (murder in first degree In Minnesota vs second degree in NY) played any part in why he chose NY? I realize there’s a lot of factors but I wonder if he researched this.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

My understanding: In New York State first degree murder charge is reserved for killing of a law enforcement officer.

I think the second degree is just a "place card" until LE gets all their ducks in a row regarding premeditation. It will be changed, for sure.

 

[MollyHarps]

This whole case leaves me with a strange feeling.

It’s not often I have any sympathies towards a murderer but in this case I can’t help having a few. He was obviously aggrieved by the injustices of United Healthcare (as are many Americans as I’ve learnt from this thread). He was also clearly struggling with something in the months prior to this happening IMO (hence his social media posts stopping, not contacting family etc).

He is a very clever man I just wish he chose a more intelligent way of showing his displeasure with united healthcare - murdering somebody is never the correct option.

 

[Marantz4250b]

How do you think this hypothetical working bloke's pension would be wiped out by another person insider dealing?

I don't have a clue - it was just a hypothetical. If investments in a trust fund can be wiped out then I'd surmise that investments held in a pension fund can be too.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

His extended family is HUGE, and extremely prominent in social circles. His picture was clear as day. I find it hard to believe not one family member, or other person, didn't recognize him.

In fact, I'd opine that someone did, and likely notified LE, but he was on the run, and they couldn't find him, until the ID at McD's.

If his family recognized LM in the news they likely consulted with their lawyer and were advised not to talk. JMO

 

[sleuth25]

Do we know how the NYPD was able to locate his hostel so quickly?

It's incredibly impressive how quickly they managed to analyze a very high amount of camera footage and zero-in on the hostel, which is what allowed them to obtain the flirting picture that ultimately led to his capture. Would have been like finding a needle in a hay stack manually.

Given the herculean task of reviewing this much footage manually, do you suspect that AI was used? They might be able to input a picture (from the immediate crime scene) and have the system automatically scan all cameras over a certain period to recreate a suspect's movements?

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Interested to know to whom he was reported “missing” … it doesn’t say to police. Just curious if it was a police report … or if they hired PI. And how they described circumstances of his missing.

 

[ttjo]

From a WaPo article:

Sarah Nehemiah, a producer and researcher who met Mangione when he lived at a Hawaii co-living space in 2022, said it was her understanding that he had a lifelong back injury.

His social media posts indicate a wide range of interests and affinity for books. In April, the X account replied to a post about the destructive potential of technology quoting from the 1932 dystopian novel “Brave New World,” in which human rights are determined by a rigid hierarchy and an all-powerful state imposes control through drugs and technology.

“But I don’t want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin,” the quote reads.

Kaczynski’s book claims that the Industrial Revolution was a “disaster for the human race” — its consequences “have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering,” according to its description on Goodreads.

In what appears to be his review of the book, Mangione wrote that it is “simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out.”

Mangione added a “take” he found online that he found “interesting”: “When all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may not like his methods, but to see things from his perspective, it’s not terrorism, it’s war and revolution.”
from here Person of interest tied to shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO spent a summer working at Stanford