Goes to motive and juries like to hear about motive even if it doesn't have to be proven by law.
NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #9 *Arrest*
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2024 Specific Time Line up to the Murder
2024
January
In January, Mr. Mangione left a review of a book containing the rambling manifesto of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, on Goodreads, a social media site for bookworms.
Suspect in C.E.O. Killing Withdrew From a Life of Privilege and Promise
Book Club reading suggestion background:
“I feel like he did a better job of parsing through the nuances of things,” Martin said.
Wexler and Martin said they had suggested the book club read the manifesto of Ted Kaczynski, known as the Unabomber, as “a joke.” Mangione reviewed it on a Goodreads account, which has been widely cited on social media on Monday
https://penncapital-star.com/criminal-justice/pennsylvania-altoona-mangiones-hawaiʻi-friends-shocked-by-arrest-in-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting/
February
Moved into $4,000 p/m High Rise in HI
Begins making multiple visits to Tokyo Japan
Exclusive | Luigi Mangione resided in this Honolulu apartment in the months before his arrest
The Ivy league tech graduate charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare chief executive Brian Thompson in Manhattan made multiple visits to Japan earlier this year, according to those who spoke with the alleged gunman.
During one of his visits on Feb. 25, the suspect, Luigi Mangione, now 26, entered a restaurant in Tokyo where he sat at the counter, according to Obara Jun, a Japanese poker player who saw Mangione struggle with ordering in the restaurant.
April
…”They had texted in April and discussed catching up on the phone but did not. Martin said he hadn't heard from Mangione since then.”
Luigi Mangione's back pain: What we know about suspect's spinal surgery
April - June
International Exchanges online:
This was the last message Luigi sent me,' Bhogal, who lives in Birmingham, England, said. 'He wanted me to help him curate his information sources.'
July 1, 2024
Kathleen stated she last spoke to Luigi on 7/1/24
…”Mother went on to say that she didn’t know where her son frequents in the city, and the report does not note the presence of threats or medical concerns
November 18, 2024
KM made the report to the San Francisco Police Department on November 18 (no noted threats or medical concerns by the mother at this time per the report)
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...sf-missing-persons-report-united-19971586.php
Who is Luigi Mangione's mother? Kathleen Mangione reported son missing
2024
January
In January, Mr. Mangione left a review of a book containing the rambling manifesto of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, on Goodreads, a social media site for bookworms.
Suspect in C.E.O. Killing Withdrew From a Life of Privilege and Promise
Book Club reading suggestion background:
“I feel like he did a better job of parsing through the nuances of things,” Martin said.
Wexler and Martin said they had suggested the book club read the manifesto of Ted Kaczynski, known as the Unabomber, as “a joke.” Mangione reviewed it on a Goodreads account, which has been widely cited on social media on Monday
https://penncapital-star.com/criminal-justice/pennsylvania-altoona-mangiones-hawaiʻi-friends-shocked-by-arrest-in-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting/
February
Moved into $4,000 p/m High Rise in HI
Begins making multiple visits to Tokyo Japan
Exclusive | Luigi Mangione resided in this Honolulu apartment in the months before his arrest
The Ivy league tech graduate charged with murdering UnitedHealthcare chief executive Brian Thompson in Manhattan made multiple visits to Japan earlier this year, according to those who spoke with the alleged gunman.
During one of his visits on Feb. 25, the suspect, Luigi Mangione, now 26, entered a restaurant in Tokyo where he sat at the counter, according to Obara Jun, a Japanese poker player who saw Mangione struggle with ordering in the restaurant.
April
…”They had texted in April and discussed catching up on the phone but did not. Martin said he hadn't heard from Mangione since then.”
Luigi Mangione's back pain: What we know about suspect's spinal surgery
April - June
International Exchanges online:
This was the last message Luigi sent me,' Bhogal, who lives in Birmingham, England, said. 'He wanted me to help him curate his information sources.'
July 1, 2024
Kathleen stated she last spoke to Luigi on 7/1/24
…”Mother went on to say that she didn’t know where her son frequents in the city, and the report does not note the presence of threats or medical concerns
November 18, 2024
KM made the report to the San Francisco Police Department on November 18 (no noted threats or medical concerns by the mother at this time per the report)
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...sf-missing-persons-report-united-19971586.php
Who is Luigi Mangione's mother? Kathleen Mangione reported son missing
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Motive is important.
If he was treating his back pain with substances like "mushrooms' that can trigger schizophrenia like psychosis.
Psilocybin induces schizophrenia-like psychosis in humans via a serotonin-2 agonist action - PubMed
Psilocybin, an indoleamine hallucinogen, produces a psychosis-like syndrome in humans that resembles first episodes of schizophrenia. In healthy human volunteers, the psychotomimetic effects of psilocybin were blocked dose-dependently by the serotonin-2A antagonist ketanserin or the atypical...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I don't know how long he was taking steroids or if it's the same amount of time for knee surgery and back surgery. I know I took steroids for 6 weeks when I had cataract surgery. That was one eye.
Anyway, on his post he said he was better in 7 days. He also noted he was better faster than most people (because why wouldn't he be?).
Or if they didn't apprehend him, would he go on in search of other targets? As I recall, Unabomber didn't stop.
Probably why he kept his gun.
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Arguments over whether Luigi Mangione is a 'hero' offer a glimpse into an unusual American moment
Is he a hero? A killer? Both? About the same time the #FreeLuigi memes featuring the mustachioed plumber from “Super Mario Brothers” mushroomed online this week, commenters shared memes showing Tony Soprano pronouncing Luigi Mangione, the man charged with murdering the UnitedHealthcare CEO in...
halifax.citynews.ca
On Monday, Shapiro took issue with comments like those. It was an extraordinary moment that he tumbled into simply because Mangione was apprehended in Pennsylvania. Shapiro’s comments — pointed, impassioned and, inevitably, political — yanked the conversation unfolding on so many people’s phone screens into real life.
“We do not kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences or express a viewpoint,” the governor said. “In a civil society, we are all less safe when ideologues engage in vigilante justice.”
Luigi Mangione's family ties to Nancy Pelosi revealed
Mangione, 26, was arrested on Monday and charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare's chief executive Brian Thompson.
www.newsweek.com
"People thought I needed money from the mafia to buy this place," Mangione once recalled to the Sun.''
Luigi Mangione's grandmother excluded criminal family members from her will
Mary Mangione's said she didn't want anything to go to a "lineal descendant" who is "charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony."
www.newsweek.com
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I am completely oversimplifying this need for causation, I get that we wring our hands in the hopes that we can understand. But to quote Chris Rock: “Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can't be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?”
"Effective Altruism."
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JW's post about EA preceded mine noting Sam Bankman-Fried of FTX infamy as an example of someone who advocates EA but is actually just virtue signaling.
LM is also from similar background imo but seems oblivious to his privileged origin & circumstances. jmo
@Parsnip Thx, but credit should go to @waldojabba (TYVM
). JW's post about EA preceded mine noting Sam Bankman-Fried of FTX infamy as an example of someone who advocates EA but is actually just virtue signaling.
LM is also from similar background imo but seems oblivious to his privileged origin & circumstances. jmo
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BBM - Oh, he's certainly NOT staying out of the media. I've lost count of the interviews this lawyer has racked up. Those are in addition to his "news conferences" where he basically doesn't answer ANY questions. Which is a good thing- he doesn't need to be giving out any information at this point. (I can't comment on that - I'm not going to comment on that - I haven't seen any of the evidence, etc. etc.) It just appears the entire point of calling a news conference is to get his face on TV...and it certainly seems to be working.
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That's the way to effect change - become the insider.“He took action against private health insurance corporations is what he did. he was a brave italian martyr. in this house, luigi mangione is a hero, end of story!” one anonymous person said in a post on X that has nearly 2 million views.Arguments over whether Luigi Mangione is a 'hero' offer a glimpse into an unusual American moment
Is he a hero? A killer? Both? About the same time the #FreeLuigi memes featuring the mustachioed plumber from “Super Mario Brothers” mushroomed online this week, commenters shared memes showing Tony Soprano pronouncing Luigi Mangione, the man charged with murdering the UnitedHealthcare CEO in...
On Monday, Shapiro took issue with comments like those. It was an extraordinary moment that he tumbled into simply because Mangione was apprehended in Pennsylvania. Shapiro’s comments — pointed, impassioned and, inevitably, political — yanked the conversation unfolding on so many people’s phone screens into real life.
“We do not kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences or express a viewpoint,” the governor said. “In a civil society, we are all less safe when ideologues engage in vigilante justice.”
''Like the Pelosis, Nicholas Mangione had strong links to his Italian immigrant roots—something that he said fueled his business ventures. When he believed he faced discrimination at country clubs in the 1970s for being Italian, he decided to buy his own golf resort.Luigi Mangione's family ties to Nancy Pelosi revealed
Mangione, 26, was arrested on Monday and charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare's chief executive Brian Thompson.
"People thought I needed money from the mafia to buy this place," Mangione once recalled to the Sun.''
Luigi Mangione's grandmother excluded criminal family members from her will
Mary Mangione's said she didn't want anything to go to a "lineal descendant" who is "charged, indicted, convicted of or pleads guilty to a felony."
I'm thinking of a local issue what I was part of. We organized, wrote the decision makers, visited our state capital and local representatives. All to no avail, but we did finally get the change....because somebody on our side was at a dinner party with a decision maker and mentioned the issue. Bam, it was resolved.
Soooo much gets done by rubbing elbows. You don't need a violent revolution - you need to be in the room where decisions are made. Or, build your own dang room.
LM had what it takes to become an insider and build a movement that doesn't require murder.
jmo
Agreed.
A person can be crazy (at varying levels !) but still evil, cunning, and able to formulate a plan and see it through ?
LM's escape and pathetic attempts to cover his tracks shows he is fully capable of premeditation, and knows what he was doing was wrong.
Omo.
Maryland Gov. Wes Moore says he has lived with the "brokenness of the healthcare system" since his father died decades ago. Yet, he doesn't condone violence, like the Dec. 4 fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Midtown Manhattan.
"I also know the way we solve things is not by killing people in cold blood," Moore said Wednesday during a press conference on the Preakness Stakes. "The way we solve things is not killing people because we do not like the industry they are in or the company they represent."
"I'm glad the wheels of justice are now moving," Moore said. "We need to have justice for what happened to Brian Thompson. I would ask people to remember that because of the actions of this person, there are two teenagers in Minnesota who are growing up like I did, fatherless. And we can never forget that."
The suspect in the slaying, 26-year-old Luigi Mangione, comes from a wealthy Maryland family that owns country clubs and healthcare facilities in the Baltimore area.
Maryland Governor Moore condemns killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO
Maryland Governor Wes Moore condemned the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.www.cbsnews.com
Thank you for sharing Gov. Moore's story !
It shows what LM stole from Brian's family.
Heartbreaking.
Omo.
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I just typed this into Google SE
motive for murder: pain
Every. single. link on the first page referenced Luigi. I didn't reference him in the least.
The media is handing him the best motive/plea possible, and on a silver platter.
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motive for murder: pain
Every. single. link on the first page referenced Luigi. I didn't reference him in the least.
The media is handing him the best motive/plea possible, and on a silver platter.
[edited for typos]
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It seems LM fell off the grid following his trips to Japan earlier this year. But what if he didn't leave Japan at all and instead rented himself a spot where he began putting his plans into motion?
Maybe it's cheaper to buy a 3D printer in Japan in order to make plastic gun components.
A Detective Misspeaking?
Did NYPD Chief of Detectives intend to refer to investigating the entire insurance INDUSTRY denying LM's claim? Or that UH, ONE insurance COMPANY (or another company), denied LM's claim?
Has UH denied payment on tens of hundreds or hundreds of thousands claims? Some denied w. reasonable basis? Likely. Some denied w no reasonable basis or no basis at all? Likely.
Not an ins. co. fan here, but I doubt the insurance INDUSTRY denied LM's claim.
snipped for focus @Tiff23fr TYVM for post w quote & link.
Did NYPD Chief of Detectives intend to refer to investigating the entire insurance INDUSTRY denying LM's claim? Or that UH, ONE insurance COMPANY (or another company), denied LM's claim?
Has UH denied payment on tens of hundreds or hundreds of thousands claims? Some denied w. reasonable basis? Likely. Some denied w no reasonable basis or no basis at all? Likely.
Not an ins. co. fan here, but I doubt the insurance INDUSTRY denied LM's claim.
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The best motive in the world is not stopping him from doing 30 to life ...imo
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