OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #1

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  1. Seattle1

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    In photos provided by the family, BSR is shown wearing the prom dress at store fitting on Feb 15, 2017 -- and later in prom photos on May 5, 2017.

    As for the pregnancy, I have no doubt that BSR knew that her due date was approaching when she went to Hill Top Ob-Gyn clinic with her mom Kim in April 2017.

    BSR knew who the father was. According to his testimony, he only dated BSR during the month of August 2016, and she broke up with him before he started his freshman year at Wright State College around last week of August. Accordingly, the estimated due date range calculates between April 17 - May 15, 2017, and she gave birth about May 7, 2017.

    I also believe that Kim had long suspected that her daughter was pregnant (as did some of her friends mothers). However, based on BSR's battle with eating disorders, all were more than hesitant to mention the weight gain.

    I further believe Kim taking BSR to her own Ob-Gyn doctor was twofold: she knew BSR was sexually active, and she also wanted confirmation of her suspicions (We know BSR denied being pregnant when asked directly). I think both mom and daughter used the doctor for the same reason: although pregnant, BSR insisted the doctor write her a script for bc pills to show her mother as proof she was not pregnant, and her mother believed if she was in fact pregnant, there would be no script!

    I agree that BSR is very manipulative but I also understand that eating disorders and manipulation in the families go hand in hand. In other words, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and parents of people with eating disorders are often just as “guilty” of using manipulation to get what they need out of their children—this manipulative behavior was learned somewhere.

    Major dysfunction in this family, and a tragedy all around.

    And switching her voice tones with her parents and throughout the interrogation, did not surprise me at all. After reading the trial transcript, I truly expected it -- even before I watched the trial video. MOO

    Manipulation in Families with Eating Disorders

    Prom dress link below:

    Prosecutor: Skylar Richardson's reaction to becoming pregnant was extreme and over the top
     


  2. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Well-Known Member

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    Bleeding and discharge (lochia) lasts for approximately 4-6 weeks post birth.
     
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    Please don't leave! You can ignore this poster if you like. Go to the top of the page - click on your user name. Under "Settings" there is "People You Ignore" - go there.... he looks like a "new" member, just a few days here.

    By my calculations - that is 9 months...
     
  4. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    Friday, Sept. 6th:
    *Trial continues (Day 4) (@ 8:45am ET) - OH - A few hours old baby girl Annabelle “Baby Jane Doe” (May 7, 2017, Carlisle, baby found buried on July 14, 2017) - *Brooke 'Skylar' Richardson (18/now 20) arrested (8/4/17), charged & indicted (8/4/17) & arraigned (8/7/17) on multiple felony charges including aggravated murder (special felony,) involuntary manslaughter (1st degree felony), endangerment of child (3rd degree felony), tampering with evidence (3rd degree felony), & gross abuse of corpse (5th degree felony); allegedly killing, burning & burying her newborn baby in backyard of her Carlisle home. Free on $50K bond. House arrest & is placed on a curfew from 9pm to 7am, GPS monitoring, random drug tests & unannounced home visits will continue & surrendered passport.
    Trial began on Sept. 3, 2019 (to 9/13/19 on court site). Jury: 7 women, 5 men; alternates: 2 women, 1 man
    9/3/19 Day 1 Jury Selection. The jury and three alternates have been selected. 5 men, 7 women, 3 alternates (1 man, 2 women). Judge Oda addressing the jury about rules and staying away from any media coverage or social media coverage. He also told them not to drive by the Richardson residence during the course of the trial. Day 2 of trial will begin tomorrow, 9/4 at 8:45 with opening statements.
    9/4/19 Day 2: Opening Statements by both sides. State shows Jury interrogation tape of Richardson during opening statements. State witnesses: Trey Johnson (baby's father, no name given) Ashley Sparkman (Medical assistant at Hilltop OBGYN). Dr. William Andrew (OBGYN doc who treated Richardson). Allison Campbell (an employee of Hilltop OBGYN). Defense and prosecution arguing about admitting Richardson's alleged confession statements. Defense lost. After lunch-State witnesses: Dr. Casey Boyce (from Hiltop OBGYN). Warren County Deputy Kelly McKay (crime scene investigation unit at the sheriff's office). Warren County Deputy Sarah Vaught (crim scene investigator). Deputy John Smith (Crime scene unit member). Warren County Coroner Dr. Russell Uptegrove. Court will resume at 8:45am Thursday, 9/5.
    9/5/19 Day 3: Trial delayed in morning until 9:15am. And then delayed to 10am. State witnesses: BCI Amy Dallaire (did DNA testing on the remains of the baby's remains). Warren County Sheriff's Lt. John Faine. (investigator on the case and interrogated Richardson). Jury watched a 2 hour video (of an 8 hour interview) with Richardson in July 2017. No more witnesses for the day. Trial continues on 9/6.
     
  5. AllyBeeUK

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    Thank you Niner. I've no problem with people disagreeing with me based on evidence. I've enjoyed watching and debating about trials since Jodi Arias, I particularly enjoy US trials as the system is different to the one I am used to so it gives me the opportunity to learn. My background is in law, I have many years experience of politely disagreeing. It's not a problem.
     
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    Isn't writing a script for BC going beyond doctor patient confidentiality. Especially if she hasn't had a more thorough examination for her pregnancy. When you are pregnant you are at risk for high blood pressure, gestational diabetes, and million other potential complications. Birth control has its own risks for women. And if you believe someone might try to abort on their own why give them BC. It probably be more harmful to the mother if taken all at once.
     
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    What do you think of the officer that interviewed or interrogated her? I know he was doing but acting like her friend, mentioning his daughters and pretending to understand while she signs away her rights made me want to scream "Ask for an Attorney". She wanted her parents I don't think as an adult that is your legal right (unless your parent is your attorney) but at 18 asking for an attorney, that isn't a public defender, is something your parents will be paying for. It seemed like the family conversation should have been private. I think her dad's reaction saying she didn't behave normally and she needed a hospital and shock that no one woke up and his ability to comfort her was sad and touching. The mom was another story. Skylar's behavior was consistent with cops, alone and with family. I don't think she killed her baby.
    I'm always amazed by girls that pop a baby out in secret. It makes you wonder if some instinct takes over during the delivery or as you make that final push. A lot of us choose hospitals and drugs for the pain. After you give birth you do sort of forget the pain and whole ordeal. I don't know if that is a way of keeping the population from dying out because if you remembered every last pain you might never have another kid. I didn't remember who cut the umbilical cord after I gave birth. It was my ex, but I had to ask him years later. I had an epidural so I should have been clear headed. I just can't imagine what she went through.
     
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    Absolutely agree. I believe the doctor gave her the script to pacify client patient with her mother issue, and also with the understanding that she would return for the tests/exam recommended.

    Also, I don't think doctor ever believed BSR would fill the script and begin taking the pills while pregnant as they were clearly not needed to prevent pregnancy, or for any other medical reason.

    Buy her own admission, BSR did not keep prenatal appointment, and did not answer the calls from doctor's office. She only returned to clinic when her 3 month script required renewal.

    I find no reasonable explanation for BSR to take the pills during pregnancy if not to harm the fetus and/or herself. This is a very sad situation IMO.

    Fortunately, taking bc pill during early stages of pregnancy are reported not to cause miscarriage or harmful to fetus. Not so sure about taking pills late in pregnancy....

    Can taking the pill cause a miscarriage?
     
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  9. AllyBeeUK

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    Ok Mike, I replied to your message in haste and probably gave you exactly what you wanted so I'll go again:

    I agree she is probably good at manipulating, most 18 year old girls are. I think she has told a heap of lies that have landed her in this awful mess. Not evidence of murder.

    No I don't think conflict is abuse. Ask my husband if you need him to clarify that I am more than capable of having a disagreement! I do not know why you would think that I believe debate is fighting, I don't think I would be here if I did.

    I agree that Skylar is a victim of emotional neglect, possibly even abuse and it is not hard to see how that abuse has culminated in this catastrophe for her and her family. I know enough about the world to know that the cycle of abuse continues. I know this from a personal and professional viewpoint. Not evidence of murder.

    As I have already clarified, I do not have any pregnancy hormones (wow!!) I have not at any point put myself in her shoes, I can't because I am not. Both of my pregnancies were planned and very much wanted and I was of course provided with the appropriate care. I most certainly would not have acted in the way that she did, but I am not her. This is exactly why I am trying not to judge her without hearing all of the evidence first.

    I think deep down, her parents probably knew she was pregnant but they ignored it because that's what emotionally distant parents often do. I think they are probably all awful people. There are lots of awful people and dysfunctional families. They are not all cold blooded killers.

    There is no evidence that dad is a person of colour so therefore I have no basis on which to accuse her or her parents of bigotry. You can see his hands during his testimony and he looks pretty white to me. Moot point.

    Skylar is, as far as I am aware, being tried as an adult so I'm not sure what point you're making here either. I'm very sorry for the children of Baltimore, I agree that their situation is an outrage but I'm not sure what that has to do with this. I live in an economically deprived area myself. My Dad grew up on one of the worst estates in the country, rife with gang violence and drugs. England is not a country of rolling fields and high tea, we have some deep and serious problems here. That said, I have known some very deprived families who strive to give their children the best they can and have raised wonderful kids. I know some privileged families who have been awful to their kids and have raised some very damaged young adults. I won't judge Skylar based on her looks or her perceived position in life any more than I would anyone else. I don't do that.

    Proclaiming that she is definitely guilty before the trial has even started. Sitting outside of her house to photograph her movements and calling for her to burned is definitely lynch mob mentality. I am not attributing these behaviours to you, or to anyone else on WS, it is simply an observation based around some of the social media commentary on this case.

    What I don't see is a cause of death. I don't see any medical evidence that baby was born alive; other than statements she made during interrogation but as we have established she is probably a liar who will say anything to please. I have my concerns about the interrogation, so do many people with more expertise than myself. Even in the presence of a solid confession, there would need to be further evidence to back it up.

    There is no evidence baby was burned, the prosecution made a huge mistake publicising this prior to trial. There is no evidence that she wasn't but it is not the job of the defence to prove the baby WASN'T burned. It is the job of the prosecution to prove that she WAS.

    I have also seen mention of skull fractures. I have been over this point numerous times on this thread but in case you have not read my previous posts here is a link for you:

    https://www.birthinjuryguide.org/birth-injury/types/infant-skull-fractures/

    Skull fractures are often the result of a prolonged or difficult delivery. Skylar is believed to have been in labour for 3 days, this is a long time particularly in the absence of medical assistance. It is also possible that baby may have suffered a skull fracture if she was indeed delivered on the toilet or hard floor surface.

    I believe it is perfectly possible that baby was stillborn, or passed away soon after birth. Skylar says baby was white and the cord was detached, this would indicate some serious problems. Cord separation is very rare, i doubt she would have had enough knowledge to make this up. I believe her when she says this. There is no evidence that she researched anything to do with birth complications.

    Do I think she should have acted differently before and after the event? Yes. Do I think she is a good person? Possibly not. Do I think she was frightened and in shock? Yes.

    We don't convict people of murder based on whether we like them or what we believe MAY have happened. We convict them based on evidence and unless the prosecution have a bombshell up their sleeve I can see a mountain of reasonable doubt. It is possible to think that she is probably guilty but still believe she should be acquitted, such is the burden of evidence in a murder trial.

    I hope this has cleared a few things up for you now... I am going to continue with watching the trial and see how my feelings and opinion may develop as the case goes on. Good day to you.
     
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    Couple of thoughts after listening to the tapes with her parents....MOO

    1. She is lying and is used to lying to her parents. Mommy mommy. Sounds fake and contrived. Lots of experience doing this. I hear no remorse or anything from her. Sounds like a spoiled, self centered brat. I find her completely unlikable and untrustworthy.

    2. Mother is only concerned about family’s reputation. Doesn’t show any empathy towards her daughter (but how would I feel if evidence showed my daughter KILLED a baby - I may give mom a break for this). Seems like some long-standing dysfunction in this family.

    3. Dad. Seems disgusted by this whole situation. Is used to her lies. Knows she is lying but so hard to grasp his daughter could do this, so grasping. Seems somewhat believable. Shock. Anger. But he knows the truth and doesn’t want to believe it.
     
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    Also...is it even possible to deliver a baby without detaching an umbilical cord?

    On another note, I work with someone whose 16 yo son got his 15 yo girlfriend pregnant and NOBODY knew until she delivered. Including the kids supposedly. Baby is 2 yo now.
     
  12. AllyBeeUK

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    I don't like the interrogation techniques at all however, I do think that there are practices that are legal in the states that are not in the UK. This is certainly not how we do it here.

    This is an interesting discussion:

     
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    She says baby was born without the cord attached, this is called placental abrubtion and is a very serious complication. I don't believe she would have enough knowledge to make this up, it would be a lucky lie. This is why I am erring on the side of believing baby was still born or unresponsive. It is possible for placental abruption to occur prior to delivery and result in baby passing away in utero. A placental complication would also restrict baby's growth which may explain her lack of growth in the final weeks of pregnancy.

    ETA If baby was born with cord attached then she would have had to cut it.
     
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    If you live with your parents and are a high school student you are likely on their health plan. Skylar seemed very dependant on her parents particularly her mother. If they wanted her to come back give her 5 days worth of pills and say she needs to come back for blood work to make sure it's the right pill for her. Taking the pill as you are supposed to while pregnant is a waste of pills. I know you aren't supposed to breastfeed on the ones that contain estrogen I think it can have long term effects idk. I don't know if extra hormones are great for a baby. 90 pills seems like an unsafe supply to give to someone that already has higher levels of certain hormones and is in denial or insists on keeping a pregnancy hidden.
    Her mom could have checked her pills. It wasn't the doctors job to help cover up a pregnancy. Not giving her birth control could have forced her to tell her parents. If the mother asks why her daughter can't have them, "I can't discuss that" would help any confirm suspicions.
     
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    Did the she/her parents, place Annabelle in a grave with a marker?
     
  16. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    About being prescribed the BC pills:

    I read this somewhere before, but has it been confirmed that the prescriotion was actually withdrawn ... yet she was able to fill it?

    Cathy Russon (@cathyrusson) on Twitter
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    Cathy Russon, (Executive Trial Producer at Law & Crime Network, a Dan Abrams production. Opinions are my own.)
    #Cathy Russon (@cathyrusson) on TwitterSkylarRichardson - A lot of talk about the birth control pills. We heard testimony they were prescribed at the April 26 appointment but then withdrawn after pregnancy test was done. Skylar was still able to fill it at the pharmacy
     
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    No matter what the outcome of this trial is I think there's an important lesson for parents to learn from Skylar. Parents need to make sure their children truly know they can tell them anything and that they have their child's back. It's very obvious from those videos of Skylar with her parents that she did not have that type of relationship with them. I always felt comfortable telling my Mom things so before I even had sex for the 1st time I asked her to take me to get birth control. I hope when my children are teenagers or even adults that they know they can come to me no matter what they've done and I will help them. If Skylar had felt able to tell her parents she was sexually active and needed bc or when it was too late for that, that she was pregnant, or even if she had told them when she went into labor, I have no doubt the baby would have been alive and Skylar wouldn't be on trial.
     
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    Excellent post.
     
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    BBM

    I wonder if she marked the burial site with a planter or used the planter to hide the dug up ground
     
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    I don't believe it would be Placental Abrubtion, that is when the placenta detaches from the uterine wall. It involves at lot of bleeding, more than what we saw on the crime scene pictures. I believe the cord would still be attached in this situation. moo

    What actually happens in placental abruption?
    The placenta is part of your baby’s life support system. It transfers oxygen and nutrients to your baby. When the placenta separates from your uterine lining before labor it can interrupt the transportation of oxygen and nutrients to your baby. Placental abruption can only truly be diagnosed after birth when the placenta can be examined. There are a few methods that are used to try to make this diagnosis during pregnancy so that proper treatment can be applied.

    https://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancy-complications/placental-abruption/

    I posted an article yesterday on detached umbilical cord and it is very rare. I will see if I can find it.
     
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