:bang: Perchance are the Doans/Baker/Messer clan somehow related? Makes you wonder maybe Vince accidently in a fit of anger murdered Carrie, Traceyboy helped him clean up the body and/or other things and then buried her on the property of Mr. Messer. Maybe Mr. Messer wasn't involved but 'knew' about it and maybe there is a code among thieves and/or murderers that you don't squeal on them because you will get their fate. Maybe they did this knowingly in the though that by chance if Vinceyboy was arrested, charged and convicted, whatever sentence he got would someday down the road be challenged and the finger pointed at Mr. Messer 'showing doubt'..and then they couldn't figure WHO did it. That way Vinceyboy would then get his second trial (yeah..when hell freezes over). I think these boys have a criminal mind and put it all together. I think their fan club also knows this and will continue their reign of harrassment, intimidation and/or other things to stop folks from agreeing and supporting Carrie and Debra Culberson. I also think this is what is leading their charge to attack the memory of Carrie and every moral fibre of Carrie's Mom Debra. They will stop at nothing. Does that make sense? :dance: I for one am glad that he is in JAIL.