Found Deceased OH - Harley Dilly, 14, walking to Port Clinton High School, 20 Dec 2019 #4

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  1. Mandrew

    Mandrew Well-Known Member

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    I thought the same thing, but perhaps he DID have easy access. I read the last time the owner of the house visited was in November. Perhaps before then Harley had access through a unlocked window or somehow knew the code on the lockbox.

    Then when the owner visited in November he either locked the windows, made them more secure or change the code on the lock box?
     


  2. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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    Nobody but an infant or toddler could fall through a tiny hole this size.
     
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  3. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    If I understand, a flue is like a metal plate, that can be opened during a fire to allow smoke to escape, or closed when no fire to keep heat in/rain & snow out. It can be used like a damper during a fire, closed partway to create a draft and/or control the rate of the burn.

    The flue has to be attached to the chimney, usually by means of a cross piece of metal, so even if the chimney is itself a large enough space, the flue and its connectors effectively cut that space in half if something is trying to get past it.

    If his coat and glasses fell to the fireplace floor, I'd guess the flue was open. It's not airtight when closed, but wouldn't have enough room for those things.

    RIP Harley
     
  4. Mistyjks

    Mistyjks Well-Known Member

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    Never knew inverted suspension was some sort of actual term, but yes, quite right. I’m reminded of the man in England last year that somehow managed to get up and then caught upside down by one boot. They suspect he was like that for at least 15 hrs before he passed. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10388594/man-hung-upside-drown-chimney-died-brain-swelling/

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    also reminded of Kyle Plush, the 16 yr old that got wedged between a seat and the wall of his minivan while reaching over the seat to grab a tennis racket. He eventually was unable to breathe and passed.

    This tears me up, I’ve got way too invested in this case, as I think many of us did. I’m too overcome with grief to even express my rage at how botched this entire investigation went down. I’m sorry, but those are MOO. I appreciate the sincerity and raw emotion the Chief has seemed to have had since the start, but the entire investigation, to me at least, was amateur at best and Harley possibly paid the price of that with his life. There are no words right now really.
     
  5. TropicalTapioca

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    I hadn’t seen that photo view of the antenna. Now I can see how he could climb that and easily get on the roof to the chimney.
     
  6. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    I totally agree with your post and feel the same. JMO but I believe that LE thought he had taken off on his own. I'm thinking that if TES had been involved earlier and given free reign he would have
    been found.
     
  7. PixieStix

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    Now that I really examine the picture of the location of the roof to the antenna that antenna looks rather far to be able to get on the roof. Maybe it's just the angle.
     
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  8. cocomod

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    My neighbor son was extremely hyperactive, and I always get strange things! Once he put a hose into the car to help his dad wash the car. Once he woke up early brought a hose into the house and put it in the heater vent. He was always doing something strange! Luckily, they were very patient with him. Well one day, he climbed up on the roof and he fell into the chimney. Luckily, his parents were there and heard him screaming for help. This story has broken my heart!! How alone he must have felt.
     
  9. NuttMegg

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    Maybe there was snow before the search began, and given no footprints in the snow, doors dead bolted (he said) and no windows breached, I can understand why they wouldn't have entered. It's too bad the the jacket and glasses weren't found on the 1st floor, maybe they would have been seen by searchers who probably didn't look through 2nd floor windows. Maybe there was undisturbed dust on the 1st floor, as seen through window searches.
     
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  10. Diddian

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    Reports say the current owner had not given anyone a key; however, if the current owner was not the original owner and did not have the home rekeyed once they acquired it, then anyone the previous owner had given a key to (realtor, family, neighbor, contractor, maintenance company) could access the home.
     
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  11. Bellecent

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    Guess the key is how was it blocked? Still can't believe he climbed up and went down chimney. Does his jacket show dirt?
     
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  12. Linda7NJ

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    Being female - this makes zero logical sense to me.
    Being a mother of a son- I’m not surprised by the act itself, boys do really dumb dangerous stuff.
    I’m more shocked he’d enter someone else’s home.

    I can’t imagine being his mother. Never laid eyes on him the last time she spoke to him, never got up, never felt his forehead when he said he was sick.
    I don’t think I could live with myself & l know I could never forgive myself. What she’s facing is pure hell -
     
  13. holtzmann

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    Y'all, I'm so sick over this. Please note I am 4'11" and 104 pounds, only slightly bigger than Harley. This piece of paper is cut to 9" by 13". I can't imagine. I'm horrified.

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  14. dkryder

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    The chimney is wider at the top and decreases like a square funnel. That one way it increases draw or draft to get smoke out of the fireplace.
     
  15. TropicalTapioca

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    In a lot of older homes, some don’t use the chimneys so they have them closed off, to prevent animals and weather/temperature to get inside.
     
  16. NuttMegg

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    When I was a kid, chimneys used to be just brick, a large opening all the way up. But with energy consciousness many old fireplaces have inserts that terminate in a flue, and the flue takes up a lot of room in the chimney, but provides better heat efficiency. Maybe the second floor fireplace was removed, but the flue was still there (for chimney cleaning). Maybe above that metal flue the chimney was open, just brick. That's what I am thinking he encountered, reaching that 2nd floor flue and knowing he couldn't make it with his jacket and glasses, and there was no going back up. Then the passage to first floor even narrower because of the flue. (stove pipe)
     
  17. Davia18

    Davia18 Verified Human

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    Thank you for the visual, just heartbreaking. How desperate to even try and do what he did.
     
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  18. Syxanthi

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    Even from the front shos that ntenna looks to be more than a good jump to the roof, and in the snow ,that in itself was an achievement.

    Gonna give my boys extra hugs tonight, and remind them that I love them like crazy.
     
  19. nonanks

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    Even if the police would have checked inside that home back from the day he was reported missing Harley may have already been dead then. Didn't his mom wait like 2 or 3 days to even report him missing?
     
  20. Tutter

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    I am having a really hard time accepting that he tried to climb down the chimney. It makes no sense to me. If he was stuck in there, how would the jacket (how would he get it off?) and glasses get past his body and into a room below?

    He allegedly didn’t feel well, so he left for somewhere at 6:08 am, and then climbed into a chimney!? He had to have used this house before if he went there on his own this day. If his entry was the chimney before, was it just he got stuck this time? I imagine if it was a close call any other time, he wouldn’t keep using it.

    It doesn’t make sense....
     
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