Found Deceased OH - Jonathan Minard, 14, Carroll County, 13 April 2019

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  1. teedie2

    teedie2 Well-Known Member

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    We were in ER at hospital when an 18 year old boy was brought in. He had a heart defect and died while celebrating July 4 with his family. It was awful being there.

    The thing is, even if Jonathon had a heart attack, there may have been something else going on there and "friend" thought that his actions might have brought on Jonathon's death. So ... he covered up as best he could.

    Who brought up a heart attack? I would never have thought of that. You guys just don't miss a lick.

    JMO. Well, not really an opinion, even. I have absolutely no idea what might have happened to Jonathon, but wanted to comment on the theory of a heart attack.

    Whatever happened, I wholeheartedly wish it hadn't happened. He seemed like such a sweet young boy, adorable, and that is my opinion.
     
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  2. Rosiebones

    Rosiebones Well-Known Member

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    Excellent timeline narrative. If he took JM back to the farm from the home there should be corroboration from cadaver dogs that a body was carried in the vehicle.
    Also, it seems to me that LE had to have some direction as to where the body was buried because they seem to have gone or been taken to a particular spot. The widespread searches had been called off earlier in the week.
     
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  3. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    I don't think this was an accident. I don't think drugs were involved, he didn't get kicked in the head by a cow, he didn't fall from the rafters of the barn, he didn't have a heart attack. I think this was murder, plain and simple.
     
  4. Rosiebones

    Rosiebones Well-Known Member

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    But, why or what would the motive be to just up and kill a 14 year old boy ? If it wasn't natural causes, drugs or drug related activity, accidental or by cow, why would someone just up and kill him?
     
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  5. birdsmomma

    birdsmomma Well-Known Member

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    This case really pulls at my heart. Jonathon looks so much like my nephew this one really got to me. I was very saddened to read over the weekend that they found his body. I'm trying to catch up here and I see that a heart attack has been brought up but I'm confused, I thought he was found in a shallow grave, that does not sound like a heart attack, that sounds like a cover up. RIP Jonathon--All MOO
     
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  6. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    IDK. Why does anybody kill anybody? The child wanted to go home and I don't think it was because of a tooth ache. Something happened that made him want to leave. Drug deal, sexual advance, physical assault, the list goes on. He wanted out of there (if that's even true). I think POI couldn't let him leave there alive.

    Just my opinion.
     
  7. LietKynes

    LietKynes Well-Known Member

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    Excellent posts, everyone !
    As badly as I want to think Jonathan instantly passed from a heart attack, aneurysm, or health-related fatality --- the wrong 'story' told by the poi and the buried bit makes me think someone had something to hide.
    Jonathan had to be 'silenced'; imo.
    I still want to know what led the authorities to Jonathan's body ?
     
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  8. Rosiebones

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    It is possible that COD cannot be determined because there is no obvious head wound or stab wound. Most toxicology testing takes several weeks to come back. It is of interest to me that he was taken all the way to the Cuyuhoga Medical Examiner. That is 90 miles away. So, to me that means that the Carroll County medical examiner could not/would not issue a preliminary cause of death with toxicology results to come later.
    If it was due to a drug overdose and he did it himself due to pain, would the friend be arrested because he left them available in his home and JM is a minor?
     
  9. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    We're basing a lot of opinion on facts we don't know are true. The toothache, going back to the house, suddenly disappearing. Those are statements made by the POI who then refused a polygraph. I don't believe anything he said.
     
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  11. Rosiebones

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    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    I'm bringing this part of my original comment back here to answer this question:

    "I'm not saying I think this is what happened but just speculating. I know if I found a kid, who was working for me, dead; I would call 911 immediately. I think most people would. I have to think anyone who didn't call 911 under such circumstances must have felt directly or indirectly responsible for the death; whether Jonathon had a heart attack or not."
     
  13. pepper 34

    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    I think it's possible something may have happened on Friday night... something that the POI knew Jonathon was going to be able to keep quiet about. When Saturday morning came and it was time to go to work... I think Jonathon's behavior was different enough from his usual demeanor that the POI become convinced the only answer was to eliminate Jonathon to protect himself.
    Speculation, jmo.
     
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  14. Songbird1973

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    But we really don't know that Jonathan ever truly said he wanted to go home. It's what the POI told everyone.

    Even the article stating that "people at the farm said he had a toothache and wanted to go home" doesn't tell us that those "people" actually heard JM say it. I think if JM had said it to others while still at the dairy farm, they would have been like, here's my phone to call your mom; or, come into the house and call her to come get you here.
     
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  15. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    How many people were at the farm? I'm sure they would have noticed POI disappeared for a period of time to bury the body.
     
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    I agree
     
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  17. Songbird1973

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    MSM has never specially reported that there was anyone else there, so I guess we don't know. "People at the farm" may simply be just the POI himself, written in a way to protect his identity. The article I read this in has other similarly confusing descriptions that now appear to all be referencing the POI.

    As far as POI leaving the farm midday, a several hour break is normal between morning and evening milkings. POI's story has always been that JM left the farm with him at noon and they went together to POI's house, so I don't think he had to sneak away from the farmyard to bury JM. And when he came back to farm later in the afternoon to start milking again, he gave the "toothache" reason for not having JM with him. I'm assuming someone else then had to come to the barn and help POI with the milking.
     
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  18. Songbird1973

    Songbird1973 Well-Known Member

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    That could very well be that POI decided to kill JM at some point in the morning, but even if he decided something then, I still think he waited till after the morning milking was finished before killing him, or he would have had to give his "toothache story" to the boss first thing in the morning so someone else could be called in to help milk.
     
  19. Blurgle

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    Anyone who doesn’t refuse a polygraph is a bona fide idiot, and that goes doubly so for an innocent person.

    Don’t get within fifty feet of one of those things.
     
  20. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    ...patiently awaiting an arrest.
     
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