Found Deceased OH - Jonathan Minard, 14, Carroll County, 13 April 2019

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  1. Plo_Koon

    Plo_Koon Former Member

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    I have a heart condition called Long QT Syndrome. I was completely unaware I had this condition until I went into sudden cardiac arrest 9 times in 1 day at the age of 30 a couple of years ago. Prior to that I never had any inclination whatsoever in my entire life that I had a heart condition. These things can happen. Like another poster said though, a heart condition wouldn't result in him being buried in a shallow grave.
     
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  2. Plo_Koon

    Plo_Koon Former Member

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    Other people can dig graves
     
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  3. Plo_Koon

    Plo_Koon Former Member

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    I agree wholeheartedly with you. This drug overdose thing has really taken on a life of its own in this thread and I don't know what exactly people are basing this on. Because a POI who refuses to take a polygraph said he had a toothache? I'll wait to put much stock into that claim. Because the POI has former drug charges on his record? Do we know what specifically he was caught with or charged with? For all I know he could have gotten in trouble for growing marijuana plants on a farm or pulled over with 3 ounces of weed on him. I've yet to meet the person who has overdosed on marijuana, or it at the least hasn't happened to me yet.
     
  4. Seattle1

    Seattle1 Well-Known Member

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    The normal reaction by a non-disordered person would certainly be to render aid, call 911, seek help, etc!

    Thanks to WS, I've learned that that the disordered is capable of what most can't fathom. :eek:

    We know nothing about the POI and/or suspect that allegedly killed JM and/or what his mind is like. I'm also a bit suspicious of a 29 year old that keeps company with a 14 year old boy. Obit by JM's family tells us that JM had been working on this farm for many years. Seems to me that his family never suspected JM was in danger there. Perhaps JM was believed to be more mature than his older friend. We may not be dealing with a healthy mind. Only time will tell....

    MOO
     
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    I also suspect that many of the people in that small town have ideas and opinions on what happened and have known each other all their lives. In deference to the sorrow of the family and because of the expressed intention by LE of doing this investigation correctly they may be waiting until this funeral service is over before they arrest anyone.
     
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    I believe the overdose theory took hold because of where the body was sent for autopsy. The Cuyahoga County Medical Examiners office is known for their work involving the opioid epidemic.
     
  7. Plo_Koon

    Plo_Koon Former Member

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    Thank you for the response, welcome to WS, and great username.
     
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  8. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what kind of conversation we would be having if the victim was a 14-year-old girl.
     
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  9. Hippiemomof5

    Hippiemomof5 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. I still think the same scenario is likely, unfortunately.
     
  10. rocket

    rocket JLWOP Opponent/15-Year Member

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    I'm thinking along those lines
     
  11. pepper 34

    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    His aunt did say during one of her interviews that he worked on the farm to earn money. I have also wondered how Jonathan came to be working on that particular farm though. The POI has been referred to as "friend" and "family friend" on vaious MSM sites so maybe Jonathan's family knows the POI's family. I saw on his obituary that another boy expressed sadness at his death and called himself a "co-worker" so it seems that Jonathan may not have been the only young person working there. I don't see a pond on that property using Google Earth.
     
  12. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Cuyahoga County ME handles autopsies for many of the small counties in NE Ohio simply because these counties don't have enough suspicious deaths to warrant having an ME and full facilities to handle them. Carroll County only has a coroner, not a ME. He's probably equipped to do preliminary autopsies, but not full autopsies and contracts with bigger counties to do that work. Pretty common in Ohio's rural areas. So it may not be accurate at this point to assume it was a drug-related death. JMO

    A similar situation happened with the Rhoden family massacre farther south in Pike County, OH. All of the victims were transported to the Cincinnati / Hamilton County ME for full autopsies.
     
  13. Henry2326

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    I thought of overdose related to taking something for the toothache.
     
  14. pepper 34

    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    This is how I've been thinking, too. It's possible the POI did something on Friday night (maybe was indulging in some drug and Jonathan wanted to try some, too.) POI may have given Jonathan the drug with disastrous results. Jonathan may have seemed somewhat better in the morning but, soon after beginning work, he felt the "tooth pain" ... or just felt generally crappy. The drug could have aggravated a pre-existing but unknown medical condition and this may be the point where 911 could have been called with help still being within reach... but, who would know that? Jonathan's just not feeling great... got a toothache. Jonathan then is taken back to the POI's house after morning chores and dies sometime during the day... The POI might find him after he gets back from afternoon chores; having been dead for hours so clearly way beyond CPR or 911. He panics... knowing he gave Jonathan a drug that will be traced by autopsy. He buries the body to keep from being arrested for causing Jonathan's death. It looks like a natural but very unexpected death due to a congenital fault of the heart... and it might be except for the drug Jonathan was given earlier; without which, he would still be alive.
    All speculation
     
  15. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I don't believe there ever was a toothache....MOO
     
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  16. Henry2326

    Henry2326 Well-Known Member

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    That is very possible.
     
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  17. CharlestonGal

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    I don't either. I think that was a cover story to initially explain Jonathan's disappearance from the farm. "He has a toothache and his mom is coming to get him". Except he never called his mom.
     
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  18. GoBuckeyes

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    I agree.
     
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  19. rocket

    rocket JLWOP Opponent/15-Year Member

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    I think the POI did think that Jonathan had a toothache because that is what Jonathan told him. Otherwise, he probably would have just said that Jonathan wasn't feeling good. This does not necessarily mean that the toothache was real. Maybe Jonathan was coming up with an excuse to leave because of the previous day's events or events of that day.

    ETA: POI is suspicious, realizes why Jonathan really wants to leave, confronts him and kills him.
     
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    Songbird1973 Well-Known Member

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    Can we definitely know that Jonathan did say he had a toothache? I do understand that numerous articles posted on here state:

    "According to people on the farm, the boy complained about a toothache and said that he was going to call his mother to pick him up and take him home."
    But, did "people on the farm" actually hear it from JM, or the POI?
    1. JM may have spoken to someone besides POI on the farm, who quoted JM's statement to the Sheriff.
    2. POI may have told "people on the farm" that JM said he had a toothache, and those people quoted POI's statement to the sheriff.
    3. "People on the farm" may simply be a confusing way of refering to the POI so as not to identify him.

     

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