OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #55

[molly1255]

I know of a case where someone had many medical problems including seizures. It took 18 months to get Disability Social Security. I know someone that got SSI as soon as they filed because they say they can't be in a work environment with a lot of people around them. This same person was making over $17/hr about 20 years ago and quit because they didn't like the foreman telling them what to do. Good thing SSI don't tell them what to do.
So, SSI can be fairly easy to qualify for, apparently, if a person wants to apply for it.

This is what I am thinking, too. The definition of disability for SSI and SSDI are the same, but SSDI is very difficult to get, unless the disability is profound. If you have education and/or work experience in a field that isn't physical work, it's used against legitimately disabled people to deny them. I've seen it happen time and again. They have occupational specialists who tell people that with their work experience, they can get a job and it doesn't matter if the job examples they propose would put them near poverty level. They do not even consider income when doing this. Income earned from previous work comes into play in terms of monthly benefit received if approved. It can take years before some people can even get to an administrative hearing and to go in without an attorney is not advised.

A gal I know "of", has really worked the system with SSI. She also financially worked over my recently deceased elderly uncle, who had dementia. She called him "Grandpa" to endear herself to him. He was no relation to her. We were watching out for him before he went into the nursing home, and going over there on a regular basis, trying to put off the inevitable - a nursing home. She managed to slip in and she got tens of thousands of dollars out of him. He felt sorry for her and he didn't tell us he was doing this. I wanted to report her to the authorities, but other family members feared she was crazy enough to retaliate. She got away with it.

Her disability under SSI - she has social anxiety. Yet, on her facebook page, she's always planning parties for her many friends, and she's the hostess. Unbelievable. Apparently SS is not monitoring her.

 

[sunshineray]

They can make up all the BS they want. Some of it may get thrown out, some not. Scummy defense attorneys know how to do this.

They also know how to spread the same false information to the public before the trial in hopes of tainting the jury pool. I wonder what it feels like to be a defense attorney playing dirty tricks to set free people who murdered a family of 8 in cold blood? How do they live with themselves?

What it feels like is that everyone, no matter how much the public hates them and believes they're guilty, everyone deserves the right to put forth a defense under the laws of the USA. I don't think you have much faith in the justice system, in the average man and woman. Don't kill the messenger that points out that, unless the W's plea bargain, there will be a defenses put forth. Those could definitely included blaming others for the murders. It will be up to the prosecution to poke holes and sink those defenses. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a heavy burden and involving aggravated capital crime times 8, it's very serious indeed. AJMO and I'm one who believes in my heart the guilty have been charged and are headed to trial.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I can't think of a theory for why Gary and Kenny were targeted or how it came about that Chris was killed maybe hours before the others so it was interesting reading your theory thankx....

I thought it was never known if Brownie was in or out of the camper that night. This is the first time I've heard he was kept inside at night.

Gary was shot with larger caliber bullets but I don't remember
2 different caliber guns. I assume this is something his dad said.

I'm re-thinking the money.

I agree that the killers did not bring their own money to Kenny's. Too risky that the bills would have evidence on them like prints, fibers, particles, trace evidence etc.. Forensics would have had an absolute field day with that.

I think they might have gotten the $ from Kenny's Wallet, which was probably sitting out in the open. Those psychotic psychos threw that $ on Kenny - it's very satisfying seeing the cuffs thrown on them. Chances of bond? Below Zero

That tidbit about Brownie came from Kendra I think. Someone else may remember better if it was from her or Leonard. But Brownie was an inside dog. I remember it was in MSM because we all had a dickens of a time trying to find out how a stranger would get past a pit bull "that would eat you alive" I think was Leonard's words. In a fifth wheel trailer no less. Whoever it was said Brownie was always kept inside at night. I think we all came to the conclusion 1. it was not a stranger and 2. and the door was unlocked. At any rate the dog was found by Donald inside the trailer. He had to hold her so LE could get in.

That was Gary's dad who said Gary was shot with 2 different caliber guns. One a small caliber and one a larger caliber. If you and someone else was in a place killing the owner and stealing cameras ect and someone opened the door and walked in, knee jerk, guilty, caught in the headlights type reaction would cause both of you to turn and fire at the same time.

Just my opinion, no links except what fits in my mind.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

dbm

 

[sunshineray]

That tidbit about Brownie came from Kendra I think. Someone else may remember better if it was from her or Leonard. But Brownie was an inside dog. I remember it was in MSM because we all had a dickens of a time trying to find out how a stranger would get past a pit bull "that would eat you alive" I think was Leonard's words. In a fifth wheel trailer no less. Whoever it was said Brownie was always kept inside at night. I think we all came to the conclusion 1. it was not a stranger and 2. and the door was unlocked. At any rate the dog was found by Donald inside the trailer. He had to hold her so LE could get in.

That was Gary's dad who said Gary was shot with 2 different caliber guns. One a small caliber and one a larger caliber. If you and someone else was in a place killing the owner and stealing cameras ect and someone opened the door and walked in, knee jerk, guilty, caught in the headlights type reaction would cause both of you to turn and fire at the same time.

Just my opinion, no links except what fits in my mind.

JMO

Wasn't it DR's dog LM was talking about? That's what I thought.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

What it feels like is that everyone, no matter how much the public hates them and believes they're guilty, everyone deserves the right to put forth a defense under the laws of the USA. I don't think you have much faith in the justice system, in the average man and woman. Don't kill the messenger that points out that, unless the W's plea bargain, there will be a defenses put forth. Those could definitely included blaming others for the murders. It will be up to the prosecution to poke holes and sink those defenses. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a heavy burden and involving aggravated capital crime times 8, it's very serious indeed. AJMO and I'm one who believes in my heart the guilty have been charged and are headed to trial.

Good post and thank God for those rights. MOO **As a side note: I too believe they have the right ones charged for these murders**

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Wasn't it DR's dog LM was talking about? That's what I thought.

Dad of Ohio victim notes that killer was able to get by dogs – Daily News

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does the 4 Wagners have a gag order to where they can’t look at the cameras or Look at the Rhodens that are setting in the courtroom and say, please I’m innocent, I didn’t kill them?????

 

[Dudly]

That tidbit about Brownie came from Kendra I think. Someone else may remember better if it was from her or Leonard. But Brownie was an inside dog. I remember it was in MSM because we all had a dickens of a time trying to find out how a stranger would get past a pit bull "that would eat you alive" I think was Leonard's words. In a fifth wheel trailer no less. Whoever it was said Brownie was always kept inside at night. I think we all came to the conclusion 1. it was not a stranger and 2. and the door was unlocked. At any rate the dog was found by Donald inside the trailer. He had to hold her so LE could get in.

That was Gary's dad who said Gary was shot with 2 different caliber guns. One a small caliber and one a larger caliber. If you and someone else was in a place killing the owner and stealing cameras ect and someone opened the door and walked in, knee jerk, guilty, caught in the headlights type reaction would cause both of you to turn and fire at the same time.

Just my opinion, no links except what fits in my mind.

JMO

As far as Brownie goes, KR may have kept him/her in the bathroom at night. He may not have cared to share his bed with a dog. There probably wasn’t room for a cage.
That would solve the problem of how they got in without the dog attacking. If it is true that he thought DS was coming, he may have left the door unlocked. It is possible he didn’t lock the door at night. KR said he kept a pistol close by ...

 

[Johnny B Bad]

As far as Brownie goes, KR may have kept him/her in the bathroom at night. He may not have cared to share his bed with a dog. There probably wasn’t room for a cage.
That would solve the problem of how they got in without the dog attacking. If it is true that he thought DS was coming, he may have left the door unlocked. It is possible he didn’t lock the door at night. KR said he kept a pistol close by ...

I still think that Angela was the one that killed Kenneth, because he let his guard down long enough to get shot in the right eye, I wonder if Kenneth was awake when he was shot because Of the money on his lower half? Or did he fight back, We got to wait until trial to see if it was one of the men! Or Angela that killed Kenneth,JMO

 

[NotHammerToed]

That was Gary's dad who said Gary was shot with 2 different caliber guns. One a small caliber and one a larger caliber. If you and someone else was in a place killing the owner and stealing cameras ect and someone opened the door and walked in, knee jerk, guilty, caught in the headlights type reaction would cause both of you to turn and fire at the same time.

Just my opinion, no links except what fits in my mind.

JMO

But wasn’t Gary shot in the head? I really hope he wasn’t killed the way people in that stupid movie were killed, shot through each eye at the same time. Wasn’t Gary and Chris Sr dragged to the back room? I really feel like the Wagners used the movie as training on how to go room to room executing anyone they saw excluding the animals and children.

 

[NotHammerToed]

But wasn’t Gary shot in the head? I really hope he wasn’t killed the way people in that stupid movie were killed, shot through each eye at the same time. Wasn’t Gary and Chris Sr dragged to the back room? I really feel like the Wagners used the movie as training on how to go room to room executing anyone they saw excluding the animals and children.

Two different guns to kill Gary, dragging their bodies into the back room fits that damn movie scene like a glove.

 

[JerseyGirl]

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