OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

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  1. Tiff23fr

    Tiff23fr Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't disagree he has that right, but would he need to first let go of his current counsel to proceed Pro Se? I tried to find a clear answer for OHIO (IANAL as well), but could only find citing to other cases where Pro Se motions were denied WHILE currently being represented by legal counsel. Basically they said you get one or the other but not both at the same time.

    I don't know the answer but look forward to learning more about it as this goes forward.
     
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    Looking at my notes just now I saw this:

    Records indicate a night scope was purchased for an AR rifle from Bass Pro Shop using Jake's Rewards Card.

    So you are correct, the Rewards Card is the Bass Pro Shop Rewards Card and I'm sure Scheiderer said multiple purchases were made with Jake's Rewards Card and so other murder kit purchases were made from Bass Pro Shop.

    Notes:

    Various purchases were made with some being online purchases and some being done directly with cash.

    BCI pieced together financial records and saw the first "murder kit" purchase was on 2-26-16.

    An Invoice from Tactical Innovations Inc. billed to Jake Wagner 260 Peterson Rd. 1 quantity Colt numerex 1911 thread adapter thread protectors.

    Evidence shows they were purchasing many parts to make suppressors and the
    drill bit size diameters compared to the caliber of the guns shows the suppressor items being bought were for 22 and 40 caliber guns.

    Maglite flashlights generic versions were purchased.

    At a local auto parts store cash was used to buy 10 freeze plugs that suppress sound, SKS Magazine, SKS ammo for a 30 caliber gun, masks, bug detector, brass catcher, AKS Mag big nuts, other nuts.

    GW4 met someone in person (from Facebook) on the side of the Hwy and purchased a 40 caliber Glock. This is according to his uncle CN who accompanied him.

    Scheiderer:
    We know the three calibers of firearms that were used to commit these murders. A 22 caliber long rifle, a 40 caliber, and a 30 caliber.
     
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  3. Caylee Advocate

    Caylee Advocate My Give A Damn's Busted

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    I found this:

    "Additionally, some judges may allow or require a pro se defendant to work with a “standby attorney”. This provides a pro se defendant with a lawyer who is there to help if they need one to step in during a proceeding to help with procedure or arguments."

    Advantages and Disadvantages of Pro Se Criminal Representation | LegalMatch


    I read in some article that if a defendant represents "pro se" they are held to the same standard in the court as an attorney would be as far as timely motions, etc.

    Oh crap, that 7th grade education of his will surely give him the upper hand against the Prosecution team **(insert huge dose of snark)**, however he (Billy) might give RJ a run for his money. :rolleyes::D
     
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    Caylee Advocate My Give A Damn's Busted

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  5. RAISINISBACK

    RAISINISBACK On Time Out

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  6. Cool Cats

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    Yup! Don't forget in his Bond Motion it says he will be the Caretaker for FWF! Certainly there is a level of maturity, competence, experience, and intelligence required beyond the 7th grade level for this job?

    So Billy wants to have his trial as soon as possible because he's sick of sitting in jail.
    He wants to have a hearing to see if he can get back his Constitutional right to getting a speedy trial because he waived that right.

    His attorneys are getting his Speedy Trial Motion thrown out and vacated so he can't have this hearing.

    The question is why?

    He didn't get his Bond Hearing and now won't get his Speedy Trial Hearing unless his attorneys refile it for him. Will they? That's the big question.

    Humm.... Is Billy at war with his attorneys?

    I think he is angry and I wonder if Fred has anything to do with it and is putting ideas in his head. You know, first wanting Bond then wanting a speedy trial.

    Stay tuned.....2 Cents.....
     
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  7. RAISINISBACK

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    Think about who benefits if Billy goes to prison for life and Fred dies. The other brother has his own business and apparently has nothing to do with FWF or the rest of the family. Billy's kids are going down with him so no one left. Maybe that is why RW was so calm and collected?

    JMO
     
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    I have to wonder why G4 participated in the murders. I think it goes beyond backing your brother or thinking they wouldn't get caught. G4 went to great lengths to get custody of his son, I think he felt backed into a corner and there is something behind the scene we don't know yet. It's MOO that HR was feed up with being harassed and threatened by the Wags, I think she was going to the police to file rape on little Jake and tell something on the Wags that would put all of them in prison.
     
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    ** Yes, G.W. "Billy" Wagner III will be a sight to see and hear.

    I was remembering Billy Wagners performance at his extradition hearing in Kentucky. I found a video.
    Here is a preview of the courtroom drama we will possibly see and 'hear' with George Washington "Billy" Wagner III self representation.

    Billy Wagner, charged in Pike County mass slaying, waives extradition

    "Wagner walked into Fayette County District Judge Julie Goodman's courtroom wearing shackles.
    Goodman began the proceeding by asking Wagner if he wished to waive extradition.
    Answering yes means Wagner will come back to Ohio to face justice.

    "Yes," Wagner said, in response to Goodman's question.

    "And what would you like to do at this time?" Goodman asked.

    "Uh, I guess head back to Ohio," Wagner said.

    That brief but significant interaction was followed by an exchange about Wagner's full legal name and his status in the Buckeye State.

    "I will ask you at this time if you are willing to acknowledge the identity.

    Your identity is that you are indeed George Washington Wagner III, who is wanted in Ohio?" Goodman asked.

    "Uh, I'm George Washington Wagner III, and I guess I am," Wagner said."

    End.
     
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    "GW4 met someone in person (from Facebook) on the side of the Hwy and purchased a 40 caliber Glock. This is according to his uncle CN who accompanied him."

    So he did purchase a new Glock.

     
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    Yes, these are true credit cards though. One easy way to remember is that a credit card is a form of payment. A reward card isn't. Just my opinion of the Rewards card I have.
     
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    Credit Card vs Rewards Card vs Cash purchase ...


    De Wine: "Mistakes were made"

    Did Jake (or other W's ) purchase items and pay cash, (difficult to trace back to a specific person), but then, use a rewards card to associate his name or account with the purchase?

    If so, mistakes were made, thank goodness.
     
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    Ok this is just BALONEY for want of a better substance. It's going to be rescinded, going to be vacated...before the court can rule on it. Oh your Honor, he did this without our knowledge...on a legal pad he had hanging around or our input...the barely educated GWIII has sure caught onto the lawyerly language and formatting pretty darn well. Is his jailhouse roomie an incarcerated lawyer just wanting to help?

    IMO, this couldn't be more of a set up to claim incompetence, either the defendant's or the lawyer's. Look what he did all on his own your Honor, behind our backs but now it's out there in the media and potential jurors will think our client has no sense at all....OR your Honor, its obvious he doesn't want us as his death penalty case lawyers anymore, you need to appoint new ones and very quickly, it seems the defendant wants a speedy trial NOW. Hey sorry, not our fault, beyond our control. AJMO

    Here's hoping Judge Deering has this investigated thoroughly.
     
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    It sure equals stupidity in the W's case, thank God.
     
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    Snipped and BBM

    At a local auto parts store cash was used to buy 10 freeze plugs that suppress sound, SKS Magazine, SKS ammo for a 30 caliber gun, masks, bug detector, brass catcher, AKS Mag big nuts, other nuts.

    An auto parts store sells gun ammo and magazines as well as bug detectors?

    Each of those would be from separate specialty stores here, gun or electronics-type. I don't think even Walmart sells ammo in CT. I could be wrong.
     
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    I always thought prosecutors take the one most likely to flip first
    It was always my first thought RW was the female who overheard the conversations. I'm sticking with it, ATM.
     
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    The 10 freeze plugs were bought with cash from a local auto parts store.

    It's not clear from my notes if the other items were purchased in the auto parts store or elsewhere. Sorry for the confusion. They made online suppressor purchases as well as paid cash in stores.

    They bought alot of stuff!

    Stuff they can't account for now.

    Thank you for mentioning it so I can double check.
     
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  19. Cool Cats

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    It was a 40 Glock and a 40 caliber was used in the murders as well as a 30 caliber and GW4 is also associated with a 30 caliber. Remember when DeWine wanted people to come forward who had any dealings with the Wagners concerning firearms? I wonder if they interviewed the Facebook guy who sold it to him.

    Jake is associated with the 22 long rifle.
     
  20. Loomis124

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    Yes, but it was G3 that got caught flashing the Glock 40 years ago...
     
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