GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

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  1. Ann99

    Ann99 Well-Known Member

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    MO. Theory. Supposition.

    I see what you are saying. And you may be absolutely right.
    But, possibly, the warrant was correct.
    Judges do not issue warrants (even in Pike County) without a reasonable basis.
    I am not being argumentative, just following another personal theory, and I may be wrong. I will say, I believe the vehicle was seen on UHR prior to 4/22.
    I do not mean the day of 4/22 . I believe it had been on UHR in days prior to the murders. What I mean is it was a familiar vehicle to the area. On UHR frequently.
     


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    The tattoos may or may not be allowed as evidence by the judge. There are other court cases where tattoos that depict the murder or seem related to the murder are introduced as evidence. There are some they have not. Whether it gets admitted or not he will probably cover it during trial anyway. It seems that the bandage covers his wrist and some fingers but it is hard to tell. Could be an injury. He has never had a bracelet type/bandage covering on it in pretrial pictures I can find during other court appearances.
     
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    Yes he could have owned it but not on paper before it was ever titled to him. He could have even drove it around some at times before he purchased it. As I had said, I think they had some information to get that warrant but found out they were incorrect on their information at a later time. Judges normally do not issue warrants that easily anywhere. I am not saying the warrant was incorrect based on the information they presented to get it, I am saying they found out later that their information was incorrect about if/how the truck was used.
     
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    MO. Theory. Supposition.

    I see what you are saying. And you may be absolutely right.
    But, possibly, the warrant was correct.
    Judges do not issue warrants (even in Pike County) without a reasonable basis.
    I am not being argumentative, just following another personal theory, and I may be wrong. I will say, I believe the vehicle was seen on UHR prior to 4/22.
    I do not mean the day of 4/22 . I believe it had been on UHR in days prior to the murders. What I mean is it was a familiar vehicle to the area. On UHR frequently.
    Just to clarify,
    I'm not implying JM did anything wrong.
    I'm not implying that previously when the vehicle was on UHR that JM owned it at the time.
    Although vehicle did come into JM possession ( temporary or purchase) at some point.
    I'm thinking the warrants wording may have been correct as to how the truck was used.
    I don't want to imply anything about JM other than I think he had to be forced to reveal all he knew about previous history of the truck.

    Edit to include:
    Do we actually know if he "purchased" the truck?
     
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    I agree . These is a bigger picture here.
     
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    If the warrant was correct and it was used in a murder/the murders by anyone, it seems it would have been taken from him and he would not have still be driving it around. We do not know if he purchased it, it could have been given to him.
     
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    Betty, i'm not arguing. Just pointing out your bolded statement -
    what if there were not alternate ways to quickly get to the facts they were seeking?
    Again, we are restricted in our thinking because we have no facts of "underlying current" the business the W' may my have been in . The association with Others on UHR.
     
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    That is a good point. I'll think about that.
     
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    TY. Yes, I agree, there could have been may people who were in possession of the truck prior.
    I didnt know AM got it titled into her name. Do you happen to know when she did that? Just curious, cause I missed that.
     
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    Last question on this.
    Does JM or AM still have the truck? Anyone know?
     
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    I understand what you're saying. For now, I'm going to wait until the facts come out at the trials.

    If the goal was to obtain grounds for probable cause in order to search the Peterson Rd and Flying W farms, they already had enough evidence to obtain those warrants.JMO

    Leonard Manley was very upset when his son was arrested. Leonard and JM were still upset a year later.

    The GPS device was planted on the 1 yr anniversary of the murders, while the family was attending a memorial service. They refused to attend the memorial for the 2 yr anniversary because they were afraid LE would use that opportunity again to search their private property.

    Rhoden family massacre: On second anniversary, 'I still got a lot of hate'

    'Still got a lot of hate'

    Leonard Manley didn't attend the balloon release. Instead, he sat at his home on Union Hill Road with the intent of confronting any BCI agents that came to his property.

    A year ago, Manley was already skeptical of law enforcement's progress in investigating the death of his family members, but that skepticism turned to anger when police obtained a warrant and then placed a GPS tracking device on his son's truck the day of the first anniversary.

    "Fool me once," Manley said.

    Leonard Manley isn't shy about talking about what happened and what's followed in the two years since. He remains angry about the police's examination of his family, which also included two lie-detector tests of Bobby Jo that she says she passed.

    He's also not ready to let go of the pain and vengeance he feels, though he's had help.

    "Phil (Fulton) has really helped me. I still got a lot of hate, but he took a lot of that hate out of me," Leonard Manley said.
    ETA: I have no doubt the Wagners are guilty of the murders and the state has built a strong case against them. But, in some instances, they could have conducted the investigation differently.

     
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    I agree. The results of the warrant - placement of the gps, ( timing) and end visuals of gps, reveal, destruction, the basic warrant, were very bad. Made an impression not favorable to many, including BCI.
    LM had every right to be so upset.
     
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    A woman by the same name of the one that tried to kill her dentist husband in Peebles, OH was the first owner of the truck and then a male. They were the 2 previous owners on paper. I cannot list their names here. AM titled it in March 2017 according to OH BMV records.
     
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    Ty. appreciate the info. very interesting.
     
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    Yes, the information is back in the threads here from the time of JM's arrest. It was odd. The car was eventually bought by someone else who lived in the Peebles area. It had some unusual fluctuations in reported mileage, with a large amount of mileage reported once in a short period of time. This was a year or so before it was sold to JM. Lots of speculation here about how those extra miles were accumulated.

    IIRC, there was also a long period of time when it wasn't driven, which led to speculation that it was impounded.
     
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    Thank you for the reminder. I had forgotten about the speculation it was impounded. And the milage issue too.
     
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    I really think that AW's mother and JW's new wife is going to shed major light on things!
     
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    Yes, where are the defense documents?
    A disadvantaged defense, as defense is between 4 rocks and 4 hard places.
    They have no defense. Let alone 4 defenses.
    None of the Defense Teams have confidence in committing anything to writing. They may have a few expert witnesses but really...
     
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    I hope so, but will RN be afraid to tell all? I think she would be.
    JW new wife could shed some light and I bet AW is the one that is afraid.
     
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    Yes she was. I just don't understand why the Defense is not made to hand over the reciprocal discovery documents.
     
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