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They are huge targets for anyone wanting their 15 minutes. Every single day, for the rest of their lives, they'll wonder if today is the day. JMO
I'm wondering, now, if the surviving family shot callers want to wrap this up so as not to go thru a lengthy trial. I'm sure they had a say in aw receiving 30yrs. I can't blame them if so. 5 yrs is a very long time to have an anchor weighing you down. I hope they find peace in their remaining yrs. Speculation, jmo
Canepa has said the families approve the plea deals.
The families are nicer than me. They all deserve LWOP. They all should be charged with 8 murders.
I agree. Three cheers for RICO."The defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate and some extended family members".
Sounds like the perfect opening for a Federal RICO (Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations) case.
Goodbye FWF.
Also, Which court reporter didn't show up?
Prosecution or Defense?
As I said, not his first rodeo. Keep your eye on all those trips to Texas. <modsnip - no link>This statement from BW's other acts evidence, page 4, item 4, has eaten at me ever since it was made public: "Allegations that defendant has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before." Links to other acts evidence in BW's case can be found in thread 60, page 10, post 186. JMO
So, do we think AC would go so far as to be as vague as possible because of the 2 remaining W4? I'm going to throw something out here, JMO.... could it be that AW was in a separate vehicle at each scene or just one or two... and wasn't present for the murders but came inside after just long enough to see what her boys had done?? So technically she didn't shoot anyone but we'll find out she wasn't home and maybe had SW and GW3's boy in the car with her... doped up on Benadryl maybe??? Are they picking the fly poop out of the pepper here??? If any of AW statement is false her deal goes out the window, right? It would not surprise me one bit if she is still lying and it would not surprise me one bit if the remaining 2 stories don't match up, JMO
I understand your point.
From my original post to BettyP, which led to the mention of FW and John Doe in count 22, regarding AC's comments at AW's hearing on Friday: I did find this comment interesting: "The defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate and some extended family members".
I had noted it says extended family members, plural. AW's husband and sons are her immediate family members. Who are the extended family members? FW could be one (if so, I think charges will be refiled), but what others? Your thoughts?
A couple of key points from Tiff's transcription of AC's comments that--at least in my mind--clearly indicate final answers to a couple of lingering questions many of us have:
1. Was custody the only motive, or was drugs/some other motive involved:
It was only custody, as copied from Tiff's info: They hacked into FB accounts of these two individuals allowing them access to information that ultimately became the motive for these crimes.
My comment: No mention of any other motive, doesn't say something along the lines of "one of the motives", etc. AC said this is the motive, period. JMO
2. Did AW enter any of the crime scenes or personally kill any of the victims:
No, as copied from Tiffs info: The defendants three co-defendants trespassed into each of the four residents where the victims were found with the intent to kill them.
My comment: No, AW was not present in any of the crime scenes in any capacity. AC only says AW's three co-defendants (BW, GW, JW) went into the residences. JMO
Sorry mods. I am getting a little too excited that this is all coming to an end. You guys are doing a great job. Thank you to all WS mods for their hard work.As I said, not his first rodeo. Keep your eye on all those trips to Texas. <modsnip - no link>
JMO
lolWith the W's I wouldn't even want to hazard a guess (it would probably get me a TO anyway and with everything coming out I sure don't want that.)
JMO
You could be right. Hopefully more info is soon to come. This waiting is agonizing, especially knowing JW and AW have told AC about BW's and GW4's involvement. JMOBut don't forget Mike DeWine's original statement after the arrests that there was "An undercurrent of drugs involved". Now does that mean the W's were taking them, dealing them, or trafficking them? I personally believe the last one and that HR knew it and told her family and that is going to come out as motive for Kenny's death. Keep in mind, as of right now, we have no answer for that burning question of ours: Why kill Kenny if it was a custody issue alone? I think we are going to find out soon.
JMO
BBM
I love that statement. So funny. I have to remember that to spring on my son and grandkids. lol
My opinion, anything is possible with the W's. I too feel that Angie would not trust the men to do it right. But listening to AC it sounds as if she really was home that night with the kids. I had to buy some swampland from CC to pay off my bet that Angie was there and a shooter.
JMO
I hope so. We have so many unanswered questions in this over the last five years.The Colorado Police went to a Wisconsin prison to visit a guy who killed his 2 daughters and wife because he pled guilty and everyone wanted to understand why and how. (Chris Watt)
Maybe the State of Ohio will answer our questions too.
I think you are right about that.AW had to be in a safe place in case her fake documents would be needed to give her custody...
Yes, it does… considering the state is security ( for everyone now, it would seem): I am willing to bet that the W’s are now wearing a pair of panties, a bit too large for their bottoms!"The defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate and some extended family members".
Sounds like the perfect opening for a Federal RICO (Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations) case.
Goodbye FWF.
Also, Which court reporter didn't show up?
Prosecution or Defense?
Indeed…BBM
I think it is because she ratted out a lot of big Boss Hoggs and maybe some drug cartels like those in Mexico (the W's made regular runs down to TX) and the Cornbread Mafia that operates in northern KY and southern Ohio and I am including her MIL that could be out for some "creek justice" as RSD calls it. And that would extend to Jake, Billy and George. Perhaps as a warning for them to keep their mouth shut and take their LWOP like good little boys.
Then there are those recorded conversations at Freds house about whoever was left breaking the others out of jail and threats on LE's lives. If I remember correctly AC took those conversations very seriously. As of yet we don't know who the Wagner family are connected to. I am sure that (according to her words not mine) Fred is relying on Jesus to get her through this but while she is praying she could also have a cell phone in her hand making a few calls to some more earthly people to help get her through all this.
JMO
With Jesus at the wheel of course…it isn't hard to assume if FW needed something done for some reason, BW was there to do it.