OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

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  1. bowler

    bowler Active Member

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    I think all at one place (CRSR) then going to FR's would be risky. But what the heck do I know LOL

    KR's, I would like more info re blood. If shot in bed then it wouldn't be all over.

    Gary was at CRSR's place. Did he really arrive previous day at CSSR's?

    Life does get in the way of this! I hadn't paid much attention to this case till the arrest, so still try to catch up.
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    For so long I have felt something happened in 2014. I'm just not sure what it was. So many things started changing and that is the year the hacking, etc. began.
    Could 2014 have been when CSR and BW's friendship started going sideways? If so why?

    Was it just something inside the W family? I'm not sure...
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    It appears JW and HR first split up just a couple months after FR and HG began a relationship in late 2014. JMO
     
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    Besides the very liberal visitation, there was no court ordered support, either. JW had it made... It is beyond me how he was not satisfied with the status quo. There are millions of men who'd love that arrangement. Instead of being happy with things the way they were, he and his family kill eight people to get it their way. Unimaginable... The more you think about it, the more the total absurdity of it is revealed...
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    I asked the Moderators about discussing names in discovery and was informed names that have been in the media are Ok. So I'm going to offer this one. Know I do it respectfully, I realize he is now deceased, and I'm guessing his part of the discovery may be because they were all close friends.

    "Burns came home from a job in Pennsylvania when he heard the news about the death of his friends in the Rhoden family to make sure his family was safe. Chad went to school and was friends with members of the family."

    I think this guy was a close family friend and was aware of whatever struggles there may have been between the W's and R's. A couple months after JW and HR split he mentioned on her social media to "kick it in the butt, because things are looking up for you now."

    I share it with an opinion that something was going on and even family friends were seeing it.

    Statement above is in the image caption of this article.
    Town of Piketon comes together in tragedy that took eight of its own
     
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  6. GoBuckeyes

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    The Wags already have records themselves. That is worth noting. I don't think your concerns will come to fruition. Besides, imo, the state has a mountain of digital evidence and other forensics.
     
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  7. Dudly

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    I haven't given the "beaten" theory much credence. As many times as these people were shot, I'm sure there was bruising from that.
    There were supposed to have several of the Rhodens in fights shortly before, too...
    I have also thought that DR and maybe HG were awakened so they could see who was shooting them. Kind of like a "look what happens if you mess with us" sort of thing. Just my opinions...
     
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    All cellphones are GPS enabled. There may be numerous GPS devices in evidence, but they may not be all labeled GPS.
     
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  9. Dudly

    Dudly Well-Known Member

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    Could he be the witness that can not testify?
     
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    It is one I have considered. He passed away March 2018.
     
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    Yes, and I am pretty sure several times mods have requested to be notified of anything questionable so that they can determine if something needs addressed. In short, we sleuth and the mods, mod.
     
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    Are you certain they weren't whole life policies? In that case, they could have been paid in full years ago.
     
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  13. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Agree.

    The link below is one report on the shot numbers, and the shot locations, from WLWT5 Ohio.

    I am not comparing human life to that of a farm animal, (although being that I did hand raise this particular one, I was fond of this one, and saddened to lose him), but, I had to help put the animal out of its misery (a firearm was used). While I was not traumatized from the experience, and it was absolutely necessary, it is not something I ever wish to have to repeat. Very unsettling. Based on that experience, with an animal, that I'd raised and cared about, I could not see how anyone could kill another human being (who was of no immediate threat to them).

    These murders weren't done in the heat of passion, but, were premeditated, so that they could be there, up close and personal, in the moment, to watch them die, otherwise there were other ways, that didn't risk the four defendants getting the death penalty, if caught. If it was solely about the control of children, it's been stated many times that the Senior W's, not only have vast wealth but have connections, if true, the custody issue could probably have been settled in an entirely different way.

    It was theorized at one time that hired assassins had been brought in to do the job. The plan was made, by the killers, I believe, b/c they had a personal score to settle and they wanted to not only kill their victims, themselves, to settle it, but be up close and personal to watch them die, and hated them enough to risk everything. Heinous. To be able to have killed the first person, and go on to kill the other seven, in such a fashion, I've often wondered if it's possible, that they were responsible for the murders, of a local mother and daughter, as a sort of trial run.
     
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    I think this is a reference to him. JMO

    "His four-man team was gonna be in it, he said, but Frankie’s cousin had to work today. The other guy’s motor was messed up. And James’ friend, he died recently. Car wreck."

    Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I've been cross researching that year between the families for awhile. I've not come to a definite conclusion yet, but I do believe that 2014 may have been the beginnings of the end. With the SM accounts shuttered, for the most part now, it's a bit more difficult to study. I believe that HMR & CG started a friendship kind of relationship as early as mid 2014, and it progressed. I also think that JW might have cheated on HMR, and she left him. The friendship between the Ws/Rs, possibly came from a business relationship or vice versa, and the business relationship soured, taking the friendship with it (or, again, vice versa). Just a thought.

    I've no concrete conclusions to any of the above, just ponderings.
     
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    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    Yes. A lot of us have read the Facebook feud that was going on about the "baby daddy"of Kylie. We know Jake read it. Jake knew the lay of the land.

    The Oxygen Show quoted a former Wagner in-law who said basically there was bad blood between Angie and Hanna after the break up.
    What that indicates to me is that Hanna was fine but Angie wasn't.

    I imagine Angie being livid and ranting: "How could she do that to you/US Jake? After everything we've done for her, I treated her like a daughter then she gets pregnant by that low life---you/WE should have custody! etc........"

    Actually, I'm putting it mildly because I believe the Wagner's started bad mouthing her, then her family, then that morphs into talking about how much better things would be if they would all just "disappear." Billy: "I can make that happen!" GW4: "I know how we could do it." A family affair. (2 Cents)

    I used to think the number of shots to each victim wasn't related to the level of hate, but instead to just bad shooting..ie.. locals doing it not professionals. But with Hannah Gilley I think she was shot 5 times, including in the eye, because of her brother CG. But I agree with you, CH was the straw because Hanna was suppose to go back to Jake , not get with CH instead.

    The combination of----
    HR moving on to CH instead of Jake and also carrying CG's baby was the explosion behind the murders... Only My opinion...2 Cents....

    HG was likely blamed for getting HR & CG together--- even if she didn't do that. Truth never gets in the way of what the Wagner's want to believe.
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Just adding onto your post;

    I was just on HMR's sm and was reading through the comments again. It was on May 21, of 2015. On May 4th, 2015, CG had updated his FB to "In A Relationship" w/ HMR's pic beneath it.

    Chad's comment on HMR's post was;
    She'd posted a pic of herself, looking sad, that read; I don't want to fake smile anymore.
     
  18. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I didn't realize my comment would cause such a disturbance. There is a 16 y.o. juvie here who is serving time for killing someone. I'm not talking about stealing a candy bar, or knocking over some mailboxes. We have juvies who have extensive criminal histories before the age of 18. Theft, drug dealing, b &e, beating up their granny for her pills. I'd not want them testifying against me. They lie fast as dog can trot. But, we all have diff opinions, if you'd be okay if they were called to testify against you, then that's all cool. It's a death penalty case though, not a stolen car case. One's life would be on the line.
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Agree! Especially since AW babysat while JW worked. S was the little girl she never had (and possibly really wanted?). I had thought like you, one of the shooters was not as experienced as the other, or not as willing to be there, until we learned of DR's shot locations. That was pure hate.

    I think that if HMR had come back to him, instead of falling for CH, JW would have gladly raised K as his own, just to have HMR back. If CG had interfered, who knows, he may have gone missing. However, you can only make so many BFs go missing... If there's no HMR, there's no new men in S's life (and I do think that there was a possibility that he thought K might be his too). I too think HHG and FR were blamed for bringing CG into the picture.
     
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    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    Good points. I forgot about Frankie. It is likely he too was blamed for HR/CH.

    And yes your right, it wouldn't only be about men in Hanna's life, but also getting the men OUT of S' life.

    Chilling thought you brought up. If Hanna had gone back to Jake and Jake was trying to raise Kylie as his own, then yes, I do think (2 Cents Only) CG would have gone "missing".

    Controversial statement I know, but, if the Wagner's are guilty of 8 murders it means we do know they are very capable of making their problems "disappear". And CG would most definitely have been a problem because Jake is obsessed with the control of children.

    Remember what he said? If Kylie wasn't his...Quote: "I will want mandatory visitation."
     
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