OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

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  1. Tiff23fr

    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking through this same thing a week or so go and was asking about the 3rd vehicle. I will see if I can find the post.
    The essence may have been buried in my questions around Montana and taking different routes.
     
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    Puzzles8 Well-Known Member

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    I asked my favorite attorney about this.

    It is the Judge that determines the date of the trials. I'm guessing the Judge will also determine the order of the trials. Indirectly, I think the defense attorneys would also have some influence. No Judge would want to risk a mistrial by forcing the trial before each of the the defense attorneys are ready.

    I think having the first trial of the W4 would be the riskiest for all. If the 1st trial exonerates the defendant, it would probably be even better for those in the following trials. The following attorney's can study which defense and witnesses were the most effective. The 1st trial will also give everyone a gauge of how strong the State's case is.

    If the 1st trial doesn't go well for the defense, the following attorney's will learn from the 1st trial and try not to make the same mistakes. It would also give the other three defendants a chance to confess and try to escape the DP once they sense how strong the State's case might be.

    And then there will be the appeals.....
     
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  3. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats ....."The Hunters Became The Hunted".....

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    Oh yes I absolutely agree, they all were in on it. The Wagner's think their family is mucho uno (the greatest one). And they are totally enmeshed with each other. I was just speculating about what would happen if that was a defense strategy. That Angela really wasn't involved, only inadvertently involved.
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    Cool Cats ....."The Hunters Became The Hunted".....

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    Thankx. It makes sense that who goes first is ultimately up to the Judge and who's defense council is ready. I think 2020 is not unrealistic for the first trial. It's not that far off for the grandma's trials. Only a few months.
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    Rereading all that also reminded me:

    -They told the individual where the trailers were stored they were moving because they got jobs up north.
    "They called and said they wanted to park their stuff for a few days until they could find a place,'' Brown said, adding that Wagner, 24, and his older brother, George Washington Wagner IV, 25, indicated that they had gotten "good-paying jobs up north."

    -Conklin mentions them looking for work
    "Neither Billy Wagner nor Jake Wagner, both of whom Conklin talked with for about 90 minutes Monday, he said, said anything about the killings. Instead, they asked him about jobs in the area. None of the family, he said, had found employment yet."
     
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    My theory is they planed a GPS on those trailers and the W's left them rather than letting LE know they were on to them.

    jmo
     
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    The only thing that I think I can
    My only comment is that I believe they posted a stock Alaska photo on one of their SM sites. IIRC it seemed like it took forever for them to get to Alaska and I thought that photo was to give the impression that they were in AK when they were not.

    jmo
     
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    Do you think we'll learn much from the granny's trials?
     
  11. Dudly

    Dudly Well-Known Member

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    BBM
    Could this include a plea deal discussion?
     
  12. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    All she had to do was disinherit that child, or grandchild. Much easier than killing a bunch of people. Leave that one child a dollar, and a trinket, and be done with it. FW is business savvy. If she didn't want her legacy going to a R, she could easily do that with a will and her lawyer's help.

    Making Sure Disenfranchisement is Effective.

    Can You Disinherit a Child in Ohio?
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Exactly.

    The police report states he pointed it at AW's head.
     
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    JustaboyFromMS Well-*u*g Member

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    Can some1 link me to the media thread por favor?
     
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    Cool Cats ....."The Hunters Became The Hunted".....

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    Very difficult to control your assets after you have left this earth...
    AW, GWW3, GWW4, EJW or even RW could include Suds in their wills...
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    Given the enmeshment observations, does anyone else think this enmeshment is a result of some religious beliefs or practices? FW brings the cross, the Bible, etc. into all her interviews.
     
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    Having known FW for many years, my thoughts are that religion is used as a crutch. Anything necessary to have total control. Pitiful... Again, JMO.
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    The key word to me in that is “control”. Abuse of perceived power also comes to mind.
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone possibly confirmed if this is the same Lucasville Mission? Read the news clip in the post. This female evangelist was also a resident of RT 2, Flying W original paperwork states RT 2, but I'm not sure what all was RT2 in the '70's.
    All Things Wildly Considered: International Works of Faith -- Geraldine Conway

    At first I thought going into this discussion could be off topic, but since Frederickas church was mentioned in the article around her assets and we know BCI took records from the church, I'm hopeful it's ok to try and explore its possible origins.
     

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