OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

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  1. Dudly

    Dudly Well-Known Member

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    Why did you quote me in your reply? What was in the post I made that shows I believe they are innocent?
     
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    Dudly Well-Known Member

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    She also told her family members what was asked and her replies in a SECRET grand jury.
     
  3. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent work! And oddly enough, there's that year 2014 again...
     
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    Tiff23fr Well-Known Member

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    I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. I believe a grand jury saw enough enough to hand down 4 death penalty indictments. I don't believe we have seen all the evidence yet and venture to guess some yet to come will be why the grand jury handed down the indictments.

    What I have seen to cause me to question their innocence:
    -Angela looking for jobs and homes the day before and day of in Alaska
    -Both boys died hair black near murders
    -many stories of events don't match up in media reports (moved cause they got jobs, get up there and say they are looking for jobs)
    -a gun list and ballistics appear to be in discovery
    -boot research by Angela to accompany a possible boot imprint report
    -multiple wal- mart trips to locations all across the region on different days (under the boot category)
    -surveillance equipment purchased by Jake and recovered
    -possible surveillance equipment or other electronics belonging to the victims may have been uncovered in the searches
    -custody document potentially forged: why would that be necessary if there was no bad intent?
    -Discovery implies a very lengthy custody conversation on Facebook 12/15/15
    -something was recovered in the trash at a Jackson hotel- could be anything, maybe even dna from a cup or something on one of them
    -silencer: was surely tested against the ballistics

    I am likely missing a few as that is a quick list. These are things that cause me to question their innocence. A case was not built on 1 person but 4, for aggravated Murder. That seems like a huge risk that I don't believe the state would take lightly. I do agree it's now up to the state to demonstrate how all this and more proves the W4's guilt.
     
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  5. sunshineray

    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    So GW4 was possible this lay preacher who was caught with stolen goods? Am I getting that right?
     
  6. RAISINISBACK

    RAISINISBACK Well-Known Member

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    BBM

    "There's much more to this case than what's been presented here. Simply putting it in writing and attaching it as an exhibit, making it an attachment to your Motion, does not make it authenticated, it does not make it something that is admissible....."

    " ........we do not stipulate to the authenticity to anything he has attached...... "

    I took it to mean that just because Fred's lawyer said they were bought 15 days after the murders by Fred and attached his statement to a motion did not make it true. That AC wanted to see real proof (receipts and records from Ebay) before she conceded when and where they were bought.

    "There is much more to this case than the few statements he (lawyer) zeroed in on,
    certainly the idea that she indicated that she had already printed out the records because she anticipated us asking about the BPV's. Had she in fact printed out the records as she indicated one would think that she would know where she had purchased them from.
    Therefore, which place she printed them off from."


    I took this to mean two things. That AC was saying that Fred lied to the GJ about printing off the receipts before testifying and if she did actually print them off then she lied to the GJ about where they were bought.

    No one has accused Fred of being stupid. She stalled for 8 months on giving up those receipts. There is something about the buying of the BPV's that Fred did not want LE to know. She lied about where they were bought and lied about printing the receipts off ect... She did everything she could to keep those receipts out of the hands of LE and AC. WHY?

    Face it folks, if any of us was charged with 2 felonies, lying to a GJ and obstruction of justice over a couple of vests we bought after the murders, we would have moved heaven and earth to get those receipts to AC that day. Who among us here would have stalled for 8 months, lied about where we bought them, and lied about printing the receipts off if the purchase of them was as innocent as Fred is saying it was?

    Let's get real here. Fred lied about the BPV's because she had a very good reason to risk going to jail and having 2 felonies on her record. We just don't know what that reason is yet.

    JMO
     
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    Good list. One major thing you didn't mention that I find very important. There's witness to W's, including FW, planning revenge on LE if and when they were arrested. That includes revenge on each other if needed. It also includes plans for escape if any were arrested. I don't know, do innocent, wrongly-accused, upstanding pilars of their community talk of such things?
     
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  8. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    The weather entry that is listed in Angela's Supplemental Discovery is listed as:

    Weather
    Pike County weather for 4.21.2016 - 4.23.2016 (12pp)
     
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  9. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Possible, but I'm not 100% it's his alias. What better profession though if you were into doing things you shouldn't. Pose as a man of the cloth.
     
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    When did the meeting get rescheduled for? Tysm
     
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    I wasn't intending to reference Billy as a lay minister. I was just adding up that there are so many ministry references in general around all this and historical references to Piketon RR2. I apologize if the vagueness led to confusion.

    The case against Angela and "William" was in '03. George 4 would have only been 12 years old. I think "William" is Billy, but if not then who else might it be?
     
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  12. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    Kenneth Rhoden, Gary's dad said that Gary was shot 3 times.
    It was the autopsy report that said Gary was shot with larger caliber bullets.

    I don't see anything about Gary being shot with 2 different caliber bullets. If anyone finds that please post and link. Thankx.

    “My nephew was laying one way and Gary was laying over his legs. Shot three times in the head,” Kenneth Rhoden said.
    'It’s a sad day, a very sad day:' Father attends first Rhoden funeral

    ".....His cousin, Gary Rhoden, 38, was found dead in the same trailer; a "muzzle stain" on the side of his head indicates one of the three shots he received to the head was made with the gun pressed against him.
    Information about the kind of bullets found was not included in the reports..... "
    Rhoden family massacre: Autopsy reports indicate one victim was awake when fatally shot
    • Larger caliber bullets were used to kill 37-year-old Gary Rhoden.
    • Gary Rhoden (age 37): Three “contact” wounds (head).
    .........Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range
     
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    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    "A status hearing set for early Tuesday morning in the ongoing legal proceedings against multiple murder suspect Edward “Jake” Wagner was indefinitely postponed......."

    No reason was publicly given for the postponement and according to an official of the Pike County Court of Common Pleas, no new date has been set for the hearing."

    Status hearing for Edward Wagner postponed - Portsmouth Daily Times

    Hmmm.....:rolleyes:
     
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  14. Tiff23fr

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    Thanks. This video doesn’t state what you are in search of. Each time I watch it, I feel so heart broken for this man.
    A few things he says- “more than one, I’d say more than 2” and ‘worked at the Bear Lake, him, Chris, and TWO more boys”. Does anyone know if Billy might have worked at BBL?

     
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    That is too hard to watch again. I hope he is at peace...
     
  17. Johnny B Bad

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    Yes, Kennth was doing a news report a short time after the murders, while he was talking about it he almost broke down in tears telling all of us how his boy was killed and drugged from the living room down the hallway to the back bedroom and his body was lying across Big Chris legs. It’s a shame that someone would do a thing like this and after months go by hiding like animals the whole family want to make all of us believe their lies even the 76 year old Grandma, if I was at that age I would worry more about explaining it to the lord instead of sitting in front of the judge looking like what did I do that no way the LE is lying on me! JMO
     
  18. Tiff23fr

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    Liquidating?

    Here's what I keep thinking about. If this whole thing is solely about custody of the young girl. Why did BCI seize her business records? I'm not talking personal family documents. She right out stated they took records of her non profits and businesses.
     
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    Tiff23fr..possibly to see if she was moving money to help fund this? Pay for weapons, the AK trip? That's the only thing I can think of right off. It's going to be a long summer waiting for a trial to start, that's for certain. Does anyone know if the trails will be televised?
     
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    Dudly, you deserve a sleuthing award for this!
     
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