OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#48

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  1. Sleuthinsleuther

    Sleuthinsleuther Well-Known Member

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    Is video/images of AW going to multiple Walmart’s looking for shoes/boots enough to prove they committed murder?

    I say yes imo, that is very very damning evidence

    I say they went to multiple Walmart’s bc other Walmart’s didn’t have the size/type they needed. They should’ve thought it out more and acquired these in an untraceable way. Prepaid Visa cards can even be traced. IMO they should’ve got footwear from a flea market
     
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    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

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    CC, remember GW4 wouldn't even talk at interviews. I really think he is involved as much as the others, we just haven't seen any of his Discovery yet. JMO
     
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    The time stamps on the Wal*Mart receipts will show the the route taken from store to store.
    That route and the times could imply that other stops were made.
     
  4. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

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    They were far from destitute. FW had plenty. JMO
     
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    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

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    Plus cameras e v e r y w h e r e. Including highways and all their gas, food or pit stops. They watched too much Boondock Saints and not enough crime shows, IMO.
     
  6. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I wonder if any of them had been banned at any Walmarts? Walmart takes that stuff seriously! Maybe they moved around to prevent Walmart from detecting them. I mean, they are about the only place to get a lot of things in some locations. If you can't get it at the one, you may have to go the next county over, as in, if they recognize someone who has been banned, they will send them on their way. So the Ws may have had to shop different ones, if one or more had ever been banned. Walmart is serious, they're developing facial recognition software to be put into use. Grab a photo of you as you come inside their doors.
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    That doesn't mean she handed it to them. I'm not even so sure she's as flush as folks think. I think she's land rich. If I was worth what she has been purported to be worth, and I could get to it, cash in hand, I'd be hiring my grandsons the finest attorneys that money could buy. Nothing against court appointed attys, they are needed, and work hard, but, I'd have each of them, their own, private attorneys.
     
  8. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen anything to suggest they had been banned from any Walmart. It seems they were in hot pursuit of very special boots FAST. JMO
     
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    Circumstantial, but yes, it's good evidence against them.... My 2 Cents Only......

    With Circumstantial Evidence you put together a totality of evidence. All the various Walmarts the Wagner's shopped in combined with their surveillance of the Rhodens, the hacking of the Rhodens, the forged custody documents, the custody dispute which can come from witnesses (there is also evidence of this on a Wagner computer) parts to make a silencer, Boondock Saints movie, proficiency with hunting,

    no alibi, live only 30 minutes away, they know the Rhodens and the dogs and have been to their houses, Angela's bad feelings towards Hanna after the break up, maybe a boot tread or partial boot tread match, Jake knew where they kept spare keys (like BJM did), Jake lived with Hanna so he would have the key to Chris's (?) trailer, etc....

    And The Wagner's
    have the 3 important elements:
    MOTIVE - MEANS - OPPORTUNITY

    This is only circumstantial evidence. IF, and that is only an IF, these cases have only circumstantial evidence, the prosecutors would have to have mammoth amounts of it, which they seem to have. Many many cases are won based only on circumstantial evidence.

    We will have to wait for the trials to see what DIRECT evidence they might have, including witnesses who can give direct testimony.

    Circumstantial evidence = parts to make a silencer, buying the parts to make a silencer.

    Direct evidence = Silencer parts with a forensic match, Silencer parts with a ballistics match, part of the Silencer was left at the crime scene, a witness gives direct testimony regarding the Silencer etc....
     
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    She sure didn't mind shelling out over $1,000 for "body armor" for Billy. She's got it. Maybe she gets it from her criminal enterprise/s...I can hardly wait for her trial. All JMO
     
  11. Loomis124

    Loomis124 Well-Known Member

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    IMO, Direct evidence won't come out until trials. Not a smidgen.
     
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    Cool Cats COLUMBO "One more thing" MONK "A jungle out there"

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    Exactly, we will only discover the Direct Evidence against the Wagners during the trials. This includes FW and RN.
     
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    The more I read, the more I think there were cash flow problems for FW. Lots of recent Trusts and transfers of property and new corporations being formed......
     
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    But doesn’t the direct evidence have to be disclosed along with the discovery?
     
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    It’s not 30 min away. 15 min (20 max)
     
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    Perhaps FW is smart, that way. Look poor = poor, cashwise? It worked for her bail, right? Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't have millions being laundered through her LLCs. She has had and still does have, big biggies advising her, watching over her and her monies and the Farm. Research pays. IMO, the last thing she is worried about is money. But it's okay...she is still manipulating everyone. Alas, she advertises some Kune Kunes on a site where she knows we will find it, and all of a sudden, she's selling off pigs just to survive. Wow. She is the Queen of Deception. But, she has been taught well, by the best, or worst, depends on how you look at it. All JMO.

    Her history is golden, in a bad way. JMO
     
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    Yes. All evidence. But we won't learn about it until the trials. There are lists we see of the evidence, but we don't know how the evidence will be presented. Direct? Circumstantial?
    ______________________________________________________________

    Direct evidence is often used in court terminology to describe evidence that straightforwardly supports the guilt or innocence of a person on trial. Unlike circumstantial evidence, which asks the judge or jury to infer reasonable conclusions, this form of evidence can stand on its own, and does not require any presumption. Video, tape recordings, and some types of witness testimony can be used as direct evidence to support a claim.

    There are two major types of evidence that guide arguments in court. Circumstantial evidence requires inference to reach a desired conclusion. If the person on trial went out and bought a gun and bullets the day before the victim was shot, the prosecution will want the judge or jury to infer that the accused bought the gun to shoot the victim. Enough telling circumstantial evidence can convince people to believe that someone is innocent or guilty, but by itself cannot prove that an event took place.

    True direct evidence, in contrast, leaves little or no possibility of a different conclusion. In American courts, juries and judges must believe that the accused person committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. This type of evidence, such as a video showing a crime, can help remove any lingering doubts about what actually happened. Although there is no legal distinction between direct and circumstantial evidence, the latter is often seen as more objective.

    What is Direct Evidence? (with pictures)
    What is Witness Testimony? (with pictures)
    What is Circumstantial Evidence? (with pictures)
    What is Physical Evidence? (with pictures)
     
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    Hey folks, been off a few weeks looking at schools with my daughter. You guys have changed threads again lol. I can't keep up, I'm loosing the battle with time management. Has anyone gone to court yet lol? I thought JW had some hearing around the 17th..
     
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    Thankx. And wasn't Kenny's camper 5 Miles down the road from the Flying W Farms? Camp Creek road to Left Fork Rd. ?
     
  20. Sleuthinsleuther

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    Do you guys think we will ever get to see the interview (interrogations) videos of the 4 perps?
     
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