OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

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  1. FrescaandSouthernComfort

    FrescaandSouthernComfort Well-Known Member

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    CC, This is very much on topic. Please, check dates and you will see that movement started
    to focus on individuals after this event. LE had leads and they were valid.
     
  2. MittenScarpetta

    MittenScarpetta Well-Known Member

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    I’m one who does believe she was there, based on a few things-her charges for aggravated burglary, the discovery, and a few other things.

    But to answer your question and this is JMO, the four Wagners didn’t care about the babies/children inside those homes. The child they cared about was conveniently in their care and with that, they made sure the one child they cared about from the Rhoden family was not in harms way that night.

    There has to be a reason they moved Chris and/or Gary and I’m sure that will be disclosed at trial. Maybe someone known to stay on the property (not in the home) spooked them? I dont know. Maybe they moved Gary to the bedroom so if someone came to the door, that person wouldn’t see Gary through the window, laying there? Maybe by moving Gary, the mindset was he was in a bedroom and wouldn’t be seen through the window by the door hence the discovery of the victims would be delayed and buy the killers time to clean up and get back to “normal life” at home? There’s so many scenarios for that.

    In the same respect, the accused clearly had no regard for human lives (besides their own and their own flesh and blood) . Why would they care if a baby suffocated? They didn’t give two flips about the safety or well being of those babies. If they did, they wouldn’t have fired 32 bullets into 8 members of those children’s family. Allegedly, of course. Thank the Heavens three year old B seemed to have remained asleep (or even maybe pretended to remain asleep, idk ) and didn’t see them (or if he did, they didn’t know he saw them) because I have no doubts that if the accused believed that, that child saw, heard, or could identify any of them that night, he would’ve been the 9th victim. All JMHO.
     
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  3. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    If the former wife is not part of the investigation, she is not sleuthable here. It does not matter that court documents or any other documents are publicly available.
     
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  4. Spyderlady

    Spyderlady Active Member

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    I’ve been trying to imagine which one of the 4 Wagners first suggested killing all the Rhodens. I’ve gone over every scenario trying to figure out who came up with the idea and then how that person talked the other 3 into going along with it. For some reason I can’t envision BW or GW4 saying it first... but that’s JMO today and it could change.
     
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  5. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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  6. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    Brently's interview is listed in Angela's Discovery: Brently NCH CAC (1 video)

    It is possible, because this is listed, that Brently did see or hear something that night but the Wagner's didn't know that until now. Now, with their attorneys, they can view the whole interview. According to CR, in an interview, Brently did go to NCH in Columbus.

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    Nationwide Children's Hospital is a primary pediatric hospital in Columbus, Ohio, with more than 1,379 medical staff members and over 11,909 total employees. In recent years, the hospital has been ranked as one of America's Best Children's Hospitals by US News & World Report. It is also the pediatric teaching hospital for The Ohio State University College of Medicine.

    WHAT IS A CHILD ADVOCACY CENTER?
    CACs are child-focused facilities that help abused children heal by coordinating the investigation and treatment of child sexual abuse and providing children and families access to long-term advocacy and healthcare. To better understand what a CAC is, you must understand what children face without one.

    'I picked up daddy's hand, and it just fell,' said 3-year-old after he found murdered father

    By 5 p.m. Brentley was tired and hungry. He left for home with his mom when she got a call from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation to take her son to Nationwide Children's hospital in Columbus, where he was interviewed.

    "They let him draw it out,'' she said. "It kind of looked like scribbles. But the way he talked, he didn't really seem to see anything."

    That was the last time authorities spoke with Brentley. Robinson gave a statement that night, and a couple weeks later police also took DNA from her — routine in such cases.

    As the year has progressed though, Brentley has shared bits and pieces in a way only a pre-schooler can.

    Robinson doesn't push. She doesn't ask questions.

    She just lets him share as he is ready and able.

    "For the longest time, he thought his dad turned into a zombie because he did see the blood,'' she said, adding the family watches AMC's series The Walking Dead, which is about zombies. "He said, 'I picked up Daddy's hand, and it just fell.' Then he went back to watching TV."
     
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  7. MittenScarpetta

    MittenScarpetta Well-Known Member

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    Yep, I recall that in discovery.
     
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    Is a CAC exclusively for sexually abused children or does it also treat children that have experienced or witnessed traumatic events?
     
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  9. Seattle85

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    If convicted it'll be interesting to see if the W's end up being investigated over other cold cases in that region.
     
  10. Cool Cats

    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    It's for any child going through a traumatic event. According to CR, Brently was going to counseling every 2 weeks. He was traumatized finding his dad and losing his dad. CAC's definitely help children and their families with this and other trauma.

    WITHOUT CAC's
    Without a CAC, a child may end up having to tell the worst experience of his or her life over and over again, to doctors, police, lawyers, therapists, investigators, judges, and others.

    They may not get the help they need to heal once the investigation is over. At the CAC, the child tells what happened to them once to a trained professional

    2 years since Pike County slayings, surviving child lives with fear. 'He's trapped by it'

    Chelsea Robinson, Brentley's mom, says he is still scared.

    "He will not leave for a room if I am not in it," she says. "The lights have to be on and I'm trying to get him back sleeping in his own bed."

    "The fear has him. He's trapped behind it."
    The little boy's mother is trying to dig him out.

    The two of them stopped talking about what happened. The last nightmare Brentley had about the deaths was after their most recent chat about that night.

    "Let someone else build that trust with him," Robinson says. He sees a professional every two weeks. She attends a support group.

    "Everything was building up on us," she says. "Just getting it out there helps."

    Robinson and Brentley lost a lot more than relatives. Robinson was best friends with Hanna Rhoden, and Dana Rhoden treated her like she was her own, she says.

    "I was closer to them than I even was with my own family," Robinson says.
     
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  11. RAISINISBACK

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    RAISINISBACK Well-Known Member

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    Jake. He probably said he wanted to kill Hannah. Than after the "alleged" fight Billy probably said "Let's just kill them all."

    JMO
     
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  13. Johnny B Bad

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    MittenSarpetta, do you think BJM stopped by Big Chris the night of the murders and spooked the killers and that is why the bodies of CR,S and GR where moved to the back bedroom?
     
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    Johnny B Bad Well-Known Member

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    Remember Anna Canepa said George 4th was the most vocal during revenge talk
     
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    If guilty verdict = Death Penalty, additional charges are really a moot point. It would make the trials longer with nothing to be gained.

    The Prosecution needs to keep these trials as succinct and clear cut as possible. Better to have a jury deliberate 22(23) clear cut charges that lead straight to the DP. Adding additional charges will just make the jury debate more information and have more to agree on. Keep it as simple as possible -the old the adage K. I. S. S.

    Make this as easy as possible for the jury to agree on a guilty verdict. Don't muddy the waters with unnecessary additional counts.

    Less is more.
    MMO
     
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  16. RAISINISBACK

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    Could be Johnny. Could be that Angie was the first to turn to murder as a solution.

    JMO
     
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    Cool Cats "JUSTICE IS COMING "

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    If less is more why did they tack on a 23rd count for Jake?

    Unlawful Sexual Contact With A Minor

    https:/count/23
     
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    I believe Sr and GR were killed first in that order. Their bodies being moved had more to do with the movie than with slowing down the investigation. My reasoning - If we allude back to the discovery of the boondocks saints clip there is a very specific scene where a mass murderer goes through a home shooting everyone inside. Afterwards the shooter and his goon drag all the bodies to a room where they wait to be loaded in a dumpster.

    I believe the killers set out exactly how it was done in the movie. Not the executions but the clean up, only this isnt hollywood and there most definitely was more blood, bone fragments, and brain matter than they anticipated so they made a split second decision not to drag any others from that point on. Moo
     
  19. FrankieT

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    Maybe it is one of the building blocks for making the case against him/them. Charging him with that possibly could open the conversation for a motive down the road. I don't know, just trying to figure things out. I don't say much, Y'all have things covered so well. MOO
     
  20. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Because they are almost 100% sure that will stick.
     

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