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OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

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  1. RAISINISBACK

    RAISINISBACK Well-Known Member

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    IIRC Mittens posted them on here. Some on here questioned their authenticity even though they had the Pike County Court Clerks stamp on each page. The issue went to the mods to decide. IDK if we have gotten an answer back from the mods on whether they can be posted on here or not. So my suggestion for those whose questioned the authenticity of the documents Mittens posted would be to drive to the Pike County Ohio Court Clerks office and ask for a copy of them in person.

    As for myself I live too far away and would be too busy or too lazy to obtain them myself so I am fine with what Mittens posted.

    JMO
     
  2. Merrygirl

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    My theory is JM either knew or figured out who killed his family and thought LE was taking waaay too long to catch them. So he thought he would take justice in his own hands and LE was afraid he was gonna screw up the case before LE had enough evidence. JM and BW may have been friends once but I think that friendship definitely ended on 4/22/16. JMO.

    Either that or they heard W4 was trying to get the hell out of Dodge and thought JM would help them and LE decided he could lead LE to the W4. But for that theory to work we would have to assume JM didn’t know W4 was involved and I seriously doubt that. So my first theory is what I’m going with. Again jmo.
     
  3. IType

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    I agree about being unsure who I think was/was not at the various crime scenes and what role each of them played before, during and after the murders. Every time I think of a possible scenario or another poster mentions a possible scenario, there always seem to be very good reasons why and why not those ideas sound logical/illogical. So frustrating.

    (BBM in your post above) I, myself, have wondered if Angela was the driver and GW4 was at home with the kids and, if that were the case, would that possibly be why GW4 was so "vocal" in the revenge conversations after the murders. Was his line of thinking that, since he didn't actually shoot anyone, he wasn't responsible for the murders...and he wanted to make it very clear that he would try to take revenge on anyone, even his own family members, who tried to get him convicted for murder if he didn't actually shoot anyone?

    I know that's not how the system works, because if he kept the kids with the knowledge that the others were committing murder he is still guilty of murder in the eyes of the law.....but was GW4 thinking he couldn't be held responsible if he didn't pull a trigger? JMO
     
  4. Merrygirl

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    I believe they had to interview him for a couple reasons: 1) it’s standard to interview those close to the murdered first as all are suspects until they can be eliminated (JW was father of SW and BW was possibly “employee” or co-worker of CR, 2) JW was going for permanent custody of SW. I also have to imagine they had more than plenty to interview. This is jmo.
     
  5. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    If y'all are near Waverly take cover. Tornado Warning!
     
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  6. Merrygirl

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    I believe AW was the alpha female. BW (7th grade Ed) and the boys were used to being led by dominant females (AW & FW). So I think the guys would lose their confidence without AW being there, especially if she was the major planner. I also think she would want to be there cuz she probably thinks they will forget some detail that could lead back to them. Moo
     
  7. Caylee Advocate

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    Yes, thank goodness it was just heavy downpours and wind. All I lost was a pool floatie, but plenty of leaves to clean out now. :)
     
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  9. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    The boys choosing a dominant type (or seemingly dominant) girlfriend/wife might support this theory. Both boys chose females who had very large personalities. I'd say living w/their mil was the last thing either of them wanted.
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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  11. Betty P

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    Just a reminder to all, FW's final pre-trial hearing is still scheduled for Wednesday this week at 1:30 pm.

    Someone remind me or I'll forget. I always get busy at the last minute.:confused:
     
  12. MittenScarpetta

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    Scribd does serve a great purpose. That’s why I was so confused last week. Anyone can have a scribd account and upload documents there. And the documents I shared last week are legally sealed and stamped by the courts just as all the documents I’ve seen on scribd. I’ll be Sitting on my hands for the time being.
     
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    I feel the exact same way about JW being a soft Momma’s boy. I believe that he grew up getting his way and when he didn’t, mommy stepped in to fix it for him. I think that AW and FW probably fought for the top spot and AW always came in second because the family needed FW to support them financially. I can see AW being a major part of the massacre. I have met women like her before, smiling Suzy Homemaker with a pocket full of tricks. I believe she was very hands on the night of, and even the planning. I can’t wait to see how this plays out in court.
     
  14. MittenScarpetta

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    @Betty P the first thing that ever stood out to me on these discovery documents was the TWO 911 calls made from UHR. The public has only been made aware of one call, from BJM. Multiple media sources stated JM flagged down LE as they were on their way to CRsr’s responding to BJM’s call. Where’s that other 911 call come in at?

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  15. Betty P

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    Couple of things it could be:

    • They're referring to the 911 call that DS made for KR and just mislabeled it
    • Was BJM's first 911 call dropped or did she hang up and call again as she was running around to the mailbox and to Frankies?
    • JM made a call after stepping out of DR's house - possible, but I think he had already heard the sirens when he was in the house. It was reported that just as he stepped out, he saw LE approaching and flagged a car down in DR's driveway.
    • LM or his wife or someone else made a second 911 call because they thought LE were taking too long. LE did respond quickly, but this is a typical reaction for most people in an emergency situation - minutes seem like hours.
    ETA: It will be interesting to hear the full 911 calls without editing. There have been other cases where outside experts listening to 911 audio are able to pick up additional info about what was happening at the crime scene. May or may not be relevant in this particular case. None of the people who made these calls are suspects, but are only victims/surviving family members.
     
  16. Berrybell

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    IMO I see this differently I think JW chose HR because she was young and had not grown into her independence yet and was easy to control and manipulate. GW4's wife i think may have also been more submissive at the beginning but become stronger and into her own at the end of the marriage. It appears to me that once both ladies became stronger and developed their own personalities they were punished in the worst ways possible. Of course this all just my opinion.
     
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    So much of what happened is so illogical that trying to form a logical opinion on what went down and who did what is not possible in my opinion. Between that and a nearly total blackout on evidence, I do not think any logical explanation is possible...
     
  18. Berrybell

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    I too would like to hear the second 911 call and who made it.
     
  19. MittenScarpetta

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    Great points. I don’t believe it’s DS’ call from LFR @ KR’s place. Just because that call is listed there separately. Whatever the 2nd 911 call (or it could’ve been the first 911 call) was, it looks like it had to be edited and clarified to be able to hear it clearly. JMHO.
     
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  20. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Oops, I was wrong about possible mislabeling of DS's call. It's listed separately there.
    I wonder if the friends who were riding with BJM that morning also made a call?
    For now, I'm going with LM or JM calling 911 because they were trying to hurry up LE or because JM found the third crime scene.

    BJM's call also could have dropped. From many remarks of locals in the MSM, cell phone service is very spotty in the area.

    Reminder: This discovery doc is from Jan 7, 2019. The news media apparently didn't report on it or otherwise make it available to the public.
     
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